Season 12

More proof that there was never a treasure

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, as the old saying goes. Continuing failure might tilt the likelihood as time goes on but it doesn't prove it. And since it's quite possible there was a treasure but it got found already, and maybe long ago, it does even less to prove there "never was" one.

It raises an interesting point, though: who has the higher burden of proof? I say it's the cynics, because unless and until EVERY cubic meter of earth on that island is sifted and accounted for, down and through the bedrock several hundred feet to accommodate for the "solution channel" effects, the believers in treasure can still say "they just missed it by this much and it could still be there" and they'll be technically correct.

If you'd couch your opinions in less dramatically certain terms I'd have way more respect for them.

--GT
 

Neglected to mention that the laginas are now saying that there are TWO treasure vaults stacked on top of each other.

That has always been part of the lore since the pod-augur days. You seem like someone who has very little sense of the pre-show history of this saga, which is kinda crucial to understanding the context in which they plan their searches. Maybe you should cut back on the monetized negation outlets and put some neutral sources in your diet, aye?

--GT
 

Neglected to mention that the laginas are now saying that there are TWO treasure vaults stacked on top of each other.

The lies continue to grow in proportion to the show’s plummeting ratings,
I've asked before but no one knew I assume.... but, what the hell is a "treasure vault"? And I wonder what lead them to believe now there are 2 stacked upon one another? I just watch last episode and it was just a repeat of the last show.
 

I would assume it is like what we use now to put a Coffin into to preserve it as it is put into the ground. Just a box to put another item into..
 

That has always been part of the lore since the pod-augur days. You seem like someone who has very little sense of the pre-show history of this saga, which is kinda crucial to understanding the context in which they plan their searches. Maybe you should cut back on the monetized negation outlets and put some neutral sources in your diet, aye?

--GT
I know all about the pre-show history of this ongoing scam.

You should do the research yourself and you will come to the same conclusion.

With nothing to add other than hyperbole to support the existing scam I'm welcoming you to my ignore list!
 

You'll find there is the same trolling gibberish being posted here by some who were thrown out Reddit for posting it there.
 

I know all about the pre-show history of this ongoing scam.

You should do the research yourself and you will come to the same conclusion.

With nothing to add other than hyperbole to support the existing scam I'm welcoming you to my ignore list!
Seek help.
 

a Scam is usually to get money/goods from someone who trusts them but yet the scammer is trying to profit off of said scam-e... Up till the Laginas I highly doubt anyone made a profit off their search. Even the land owner was usually just given a percentage of anything found, so they didn't make anything once you left since you didn't find anything.. or atleast didn't tell him you did!! one of the many reason if anyone did find something they might not want to tell anyone...
In years past any of the little findings, sure they might have been fabricated to get more money but it was spent in the search, not to go to Disneyland..
 

After 200+ years of claims of a treasure on oak island, no one has ever produced one piece of evidence to back the claim.

No historical records or evidence exist of any treasure being placed on he island.

The only things ever found are artifacts of common human habitation or debris from previous diggers.

Not to forget the fake 90 foot stone and the planted items on the fictional tv show.

If ANYONE has any proof of their claims made here, please produce them.

Until then, it’s all fairy tales.
 

Seek help.
BennyV.... When you post this type of response you come across as there is something of value buried on Oak Island and if folks don't believe it then something is wrong with them... Is this right..? If so what has been presented that you believe men would dig 100+ ft. deep to deposit something of value...?
 

I know all about the pre-show history of this ongoing scam.

I wouldn't call the Oak Island treasure lore a scam, rather a self-propelled delusion. A lot of people have dug very deep holes on the premise that a story with no solid foundation was true; they did not dig those holes for the purpose of scamming anyone. I'll even include the Laginas on that. There have been some scams along they way intended to entice investors, with the purpose of continuing a genuine search for treasure.

Although I tend to doubt it, it might be that the Laginas still really believe there is treasure there. If so, the show has become the financial vehicle to continue the search. In that respect, it is an investor scam not unlike the cypher stone or the gold link or the parchment wad. That is, they are doing theatrics to sell ads to make money to continue the search.

But, like I said, I tend to doubt their continued conviction in a real buried treasure. The show looks far more like a fake reality show than a real treasure hunt and at this point it seems to be just be a vehicle for earning a paycheck. Does that still make it a scam? IMO not really, it's just entertainment, no different than a myriad of other TV shows (good or bad) that are intended to entertain. The advertisers (the ones who pay) understand this.
 

I've asked before but no one knew I assume.... but, what the hell is a "treasure vault"? And I wonder what lead them to believe now there are 2 stacked upon one another?

When they use that term on the show, I've always taken it as shorthand for "a previously described enclosure that may have treasure in it", and is used primarily for the so-called Chappell vault and, for lack of a better term, the Truro vault(s). These two instances were not observed directly with searcher eyeballs but were sussed out by means of the auger (oops I spelled it wrong earlier) drills bringing samples up.

In the case of Truro, in 1849, from one vertical drill hole they brought up evidence starting at 98 feet (matching the Onslow company's probed wooden platform at that depth) of five inches of spruce, followed by a gap of twelve inches, then four inches of oak, then, as described by the drill operator from the way the bit went down, five inches of "loose metal" or metal in pieces, then eight inches of oak, twenty-two inches of loose metal, four inches of oak, six inches of spruce, and finally seven feet of clay. From this data they gathered that it was two oak boxes/chests/vaults/whatever with four inch thick walls, one stacked atop the other, inside an outer enclosure of five- to six-inch walled spruce. This spruce "room" I guess could also be described as a vault.

Added together that's 5+12+4+5+8+22+4+6 = 66 inches or 5'6", added to the 98 foot start depth equals roughly 103.5 feet to the bottom of the last layer of spruce. Additional drill holes (all this is in the Money Pit proper, by the way) hit the upper and lower wood "platforms" at 98 and 104 feet without encountering the other material, implying there's significant space to the sides of the stacked oak enclosures.

Legit questions raised by this data include were there also spruce sidewalls, making for a fully enclosed "box" or room (and therefore somewhat more protected), or just a ceiling and floor? And can a pod-auger really accurately show those kinds of details, including "gaps" in material? Thus my suggestion in a different post regarding using antique augers on some modern test lumber to see how this evidence could have looked. While I will grant that those employed to use the drills were probably skilled in their use, there may be some physical limitations to what data can come up vs. what is inferred. In a very cursory image search, for example, all the versions of augers with enclosures that I could find only enclosed the last couple of feet at most. Does that imply they had to keep bringing the drill up every few inches of progress to inspect the samples?

The Chappell vault was found in 1897 by the Oak Island Treasure Company in the Money Pit. At approximately 153 feet several drill holes encountered "cement" followed by inches of oak, other material, then more cement, leading to a conclusion of a cement outer casing to a wooden box, i.e. a "vault".

Other than modern basement-level bank vaults, what are the historical precedents for finding treasure caches inside wooden or other enclosures underground? When they find Anglo-Saxon hoards in fields in parts of Britain, for example, does the stuff show evidence of having been inside of containers, or is it just loose in the soil? I seem to recall that American Civil War era money caches were sometimes found in buried glass jars. You detectorists can hopefully chime in on those type questions.

--GT
 

With nothing to add other than hyperbole to support the existing scam I'm welcoming you to my ignore list!

Then how will you know when to do a drive-by nihilist routine on my threads? Ho ho ho.

I know all about the pre-show history of this ongoing scam.

Seriously, though, you can't have it both ways. Either you know "all about" the Truro findings or you are shocked and offended that TCoOI talks about stacked vaults ... which is it?

--GT
 

Heeeee haaaaaw ..... here we go !! 🍿🍿better action than the show itself !! And there's how many more episodes?? This is gonna be a busy thread !! 🍿🍺🍿settling in for this thrilling debate about the most popular treasure show ever !!! Carry on ladies and gents.🤣😂
 

BennyV.... When you post this type of response you come across as there is something of value buried on Oak Island and if folks don't believe it then something is wrong with them... Is this right..? If so what has been presented that you believe men would dig 100+ ft. deep to deposit something of value...?
I am hoping to come off as someone who is guiding others to seek help instead of obsessing over something they have no belief in.
 

Seek help.

So anyone who doesn't believe this tall tale needs to "seek help"? Seems to me the only ones who need to seek help would be those who still believe there's treasure buried on Oak Island and that the Laginas are not con artists just collecting a fat paycheck every episode.
 

I am hoping to come off as someone who is guiding others to seek help instead of obsessing over something they have no belief in.
In other words, everyone needs to think like you?
So anyone who doesn't believe this tall tale needs to "seek help"? Seems to me the only ones who need to seek help would be those who still believe there's treasure buried on Oak Island and that the Laginas are not con artists just collecting a fat paycheck every episode.
There is already another thread focused on anti-Oak Island rhetoric yet so many of you insist on coming to this thread to spout your drivel??

You are just a bunch of trolls looking for attention, its a very sad life you live....
 

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