After 15th Episode of Season 12.... Still any believers...?

But either way, Marty is going to be the one who gives up the ghost on this adventure because he's never been that into it like his brother.

If the cast have invested their History Channel salaries wisely, they can fund their own effort even if Marty checks out, albeit never at the same scale.

I was about to say that next week will be the last episode, but epguides has updated again and now it shows there'll be 25 like recent seasons.

--GT
 

Restall's wife as she said in her old interview that her husband told her he was getting close to it. He believed and she believed in her husband. Right or wrong they believed in it...

If the 3 buys/men didn't start their dig, how did this story go on for over 200 years now. Why would the Onslow company come in to continue a dig if there was no dig to begin with.. There has to be a beginning dig or this thing never gets going..
He wasn't even looking for a treasure when he died. He was desperate to produce anything that would have worked to convince his investors to continue giving him money (the family needed it to live). He himself had sold off the majority of his cut in anything he might find by the time he died. He was chasing his losses. And he was, in fact, excavating around a hole suspected by everyone before him of being the MP in an effort to discover flood tunnels to it when he was overcome by gasses. Flood tunnels from Smith's cove is the one thing Restall successfully eliminated from the realm of possibility. Because of Restall, we have physical evidence of there being no relationship between the vertical shaft, the drainage feature in the cove, sink holes, and the various holes called MP locations. Not that we needed it, but he did show there are no such tunnels. We know today that all flooding of shafts is from dissolution fissures at depth. It was a problem that had routinely fouled the wells that existed on that island since ca. 1800. Holes were "flooding" with sea water before there were OI stories.

Pretty much all the women of OI searchers were victims of their husbands delusions. At the end of the Restall's time his wife has serious reservations about the upbringing of the children and of their future well being.

Ever since there have been searchers, there have been reports of imminent success that have reached the public. When I last visited OI, ca. 1985, Dan still claimed that each and every year even if there was nothing being done anymore in the way of searches. After Triton group there was his 10-X chase which was also later shown to be a shaft to a dissolution cavern (in recent times). Dan was not a believer in the MP that Restall accepted. The Chappell's weren't chasing anything but a vault of documents. It's a story that is all over the map, and it is retold in a way that tries to give it some consistency.
 

See it's statements like in bold above that people make then repeat without a thought given then or now as to why or how...?

How would any individual know if he was "getting close to it"? Based on what?
And what was he digging for and based on what?
Who said a treasure was buried 100+ on O.I.?

The "beginning dig" was based on hope I believe. From there stories and mankind's imagination took over and the cycle of hope, stories and digging is just repeated over and over and over to this day.
What we actually know from the letters we have is that RR was always at his last cent and was growing increasingly desperate to coax out more funds by coming up with novel suggestions. IMHO, he was even lying to his wife and she probably knew it. When all you have is the front you show the world, that has to be well managed.
 

If the cast have invested their History Channel salaries wisely, they can fund their own effort even if Marty checks out, albeit never at the same scale.

I was about to say that next week will be the last episode, but epguides has updated again and now it shows there'll be 25 like recent seasons.

--GT
They were the only ones who found treasure, called a steady pay check.
 

Suddenly some of ya'll know what R Restall was thinking and doing. Along with you know what his wife was thinking 60 years ago. Guess ya'll read palms and tarrot cards as well.
 

Suddenly some of ya'll know what R Restall was thinking and doing. Along with you know what his wife was thinking 60 years ago. Guess ya'll read palms and tarrot cards as well.
Yes some of do but it's kind of a Tnet secret so kindly keep it low key please. Thanks...! :occasion14:
 

Suddenly some of ya'll know what R Restall was thinking and doing. Along with you know what his wife was thinking 60 years ago. Guess ya'll read palms and tarrot cards as well.
We have great insight into that because of the publication of some personal letters. If you want to read them, find a copy of "Oak Island Obsession, The Restall story". RR was being coached by the individual who leased him his access to the island to come up with convincing details to keep his funding rolling in. He was always on the cusp of losing his lease. This we can know. When we can know something it is our damn fault if we do not do the work to be aware of it. It serves no one to pretend that RR or Dan were honest and upright men. The delusions involved almost require that one play fast and loose with the facts to manufacture compelling narratives that keep giving this life. Same with the show. Zero gets said, or shown, that isn't a plea for viewers to suspend their disbelief. The sins of omission are breathtaking. The embellishments are preposterous in their reach.
 

When it comes to treasure hunters, they believe what they want to believe and nothing will change their minds. Take Mel Fisher, he chased that rainbow for decades, lost 2 family members, but in the end he stuck with it and won out in the end. I don't see that with Oak Island, do I believe someone buried loot on the island, yes. Do I believe it is still there, no. But if it is, it's not where they re looking, where everyone one else has looked before. If anything, where they are digging is a decoy, which is my best guess. But either way, Marty is going to be the one who gives up the ghost on this adventure because he's never been that into it like his brother.
Not the same thing. The Attocha and the Santa Margarita were real ships. No one was deluded about their existence, their wrecking in the Keys or their listed contents. No invention was involved in the stated goal of salvaging these wrecks. Finding them was doable on that basis. OI is an alleged mystery where no one even knows what they are looking for. The origin story given for it has no documented basis. In fact, people are still trying to write it. If you die in an anonymous hole looking for something no one can even name, what exactly is driving you? It is "not knowing" that is driving you. That, mixed with a refusal to disbelieve any and all possibilities, creates the impetus for "answers" that people like Rick Lagina insist must exist. The real OI story is one that mirrors the Millerite "Great Disappointment" of 1843.
 

Most legends are based in some fact as with Oak Island, it is as you say regarding Mel Fisher's hunt was based in fact that yes, there were ships by that name and sank based on historical records as is Oak Island, it's a real Island with no historical documentation as to what if anything was buried there. But they are all hunting for rainbows, some with some with historical fact, and some with legend and assumptions. I hope for histories sake they find something tangible. But to me, the real treasue is the hunt itself. Like old Mel would always say "Today is the day" and with that much hope and optimism you had to root for him. The same can be said for Rick. But every season that passes, I see a little less gleam in his eye.
 

Believe me Mr. Rick is one happy man... He collects a fat check and all he has to do is keep the myth alive with yet another fork in the long traveled O.I. road. I'm beginning to think Mr. Marty really doesn't want to be seen in that "light" anymore.
 

Think i would prefer to watch the Pope's funeral on eternal loop !!................ and i didn't even watch it when it was 'live' (dead) , you know what i mean !!
 

We have great insight into that because of the publication of some personal letters. If you want to read them, find a copy of "Oak Island Obsession, The Restall story". RR was being coached by the individual who leased him his access to the island to come up with convincing details to keep his funding rolling in. He was always on the cusp of losing his lease. This we can know. When we can know something it is our damn fault if we do not do the work to be aware of it. It serves no one to pretend that RR or Dan were honest and upright men. The delusions involved almost require that one play fast and loose with the facts to manufacture compelling narratives that keep giving this life. Same with the show. Zero gets said, or shown, that isn't a plea for viewers to suspend their disbelief. The sins of omission are breathtaking. The embellishments are preposterous in their reach.
I have actually read this book. Granted it has been some years since. He might have been stretching the truth like many others to get funding but he believed in what he was looking for. He had all kinds of drawings as to what he thought was happening under ground. He always thought he was close to figuring it out. Said that many many times in the book. Even his wife said it as she believed in him.. He wasn't doing any of this to make a nice living. They had that before they got there. They all lived a rough life while on the island. Remember they lived on it year round. No road to the island then and they had no electricity.. They had some money from years of touring with their motorcycle cage show. Granted they may have spent it all on the search, but they were not living that life and making a nice living from it..
 

The History Channel just announced that next year's show will be entitled "Oak Island - Digging Through Robert Dunfield's Garbage Pit." This show has gone so far downhill, it's hard to believe History has not dropped it. Now it appears the "treasure has fallen into caves", even deeper then thought. lol.... there is a good reason there are no geologists on the show. Those caverns are all over the region and are a natural feature, not a treasure hole. I'm so tired of them talking about buttons and worthless relics. They have totally lost focus on digging in the pit area because of Dunfield's backfill of broken timbers.
 

What's really pathetic is the fact that the show is the History Channel's top rated program! Doesn't say much for the channel, I guess. Here's the latest ratings and a couple of comments about the show.

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This show has gone so far downhill

That's a perspective I don't understand. The debut season in 2014 plays a bit different, as if the showrunners were finding their footing, but seasons 2-12 all seem basically the same to me. When I did a marathon watch of seasons 3-5, and then picked up on season 6, the content seemed very contiguous. Every season had its far-out theorists, disappointing dig sites, etc. Now some season's activities and discoveries were a bit more exciting than others, granted, but that's what you'd expect when the results are unknown and unknowable. So what, exactly, does "downhill" mean? Could it be that your hope or expectations of them finding something just had a finite supply, and having crossed that threshold, you are done with it? In other words, could you admit if this read on the show is merely subjective?

--GT
 

I find it funny how that commit from above by someone named Steve who actually has the same opinion as others on here don't believe that the people back 300 or more years ago had the ability to dig a hole. Yet these same people have built whole cities and tunnels all under it like in last nights tv show showed and some of that was on an island. A 100' hole would have been a Sat afternoon job for them... I'll say it again that people hand built Pyramids 4000 years ago. There have always been Master Craftsmen or as we'd probably call them today Engineers. That figured out how to dig, tunnel, build, make fine jewelry, beads, buttons, flow water to where needed, both ways mind you. Yet some think that digging a hole on OI is impossible.. Everything they showed from the Europe trip was hand built 100's and 100' of years ago...
 

The pyramids were built with thousands of slaves. Anyone can build an empire with enough slaves to do the work. Comparing that to a few drunk and flabby pirates (or whomever) digging a 100 foot hole is ridiculous. And thinking they did it just to hide a couple of treasure chests is laughable. No one in their right mind would bury treasure more than 10 feet because no one would ever find it at any decent depth.

The 100 foot hole was the work of someone with gold fever who wasn't bright or sane enough to admit there was no treasure in that spot. It happens all the time with gold mines. People keep digging and digging because they may have found a few gold nuggets at one time. Gold fever is real and it's destroyed the lives of many people over the years.
 

The pyramids were built with thousands of slaves. Anyone can build an empire with enough slaves to do the work. Comparing that to a few drunk and flabby pirates (or whomever) digging a 100 foot hole is ridiculous. And thinking they did it just to hide a couple of treasure chests is laughable. No one in their right mind would bury treasure more than 10 feet because no one would ever find it at any decent depth.

The 100 foot hole was the work of someone with gold fever who wasn't bright or sane enough to admit there was no treasure in that spot. It happens all the time with gold mines. People keep digging and digging because they may have found a few gold nuggets at one time. Gold fever is real and it's destroyed the lives of many people over the years.
We don't actually believe it was done with slaves. There was a literal army of tradespeople who made a living in residence nearby doing this large public works project. There was great collective pride taken in it. Of course, even a wage slave is a form of slave, but the great many did not have to be whipped to produce it. Narratives alone can get people on board.

In the history of the world there aren't even examples of what is suggested at OI. The closest we have are stories that make use of their details to present us with an allegory (a story built up in symbolism). There are 9 levels to the OI mystery shaft to echo the 9 divisions of our base 10 numbering system. The "vault" depth of 153 feet is from a very symbolic number whose sum is 9 and whose position on the 360 degree circle is mirror opposite to 333 (also sum 9). This 333 is in 2:1 with 666 (the number of man). Stories using this numerological theme are part of the Judeo Christian offering. Proportions of 2:1, 3:1 and 3:2 are exploited as a guiding framework for the religious allegories.
 

I find it funny how that commit from above by someone named Steve who actually has the same opinion as others on here don't believe that the people back 300 or more years ago had the ability to dig a hole. Yet these same people have built whole cities and tunnels all under it like in last nights tv show showed and some of that was on an island. A 100' hole would have been a Sat afternoon job for them... I'll say it again that people hand built Pyramids 4000 years ago. There have always been Master Craftsmen or as we'd probably call them today Engineers. That figured out how to dig, tunnel, build, make fine jewelry, beads, buttons, flow water to where needed, both ways mind you. Yet some think that digging a hole on OI is impossible.. Everything they showed from the Europe trip was hand built 100's and 100' of years ago...
You don't mine cities in loose glacial till (geological backfill). Have you seen the wet mud they bag with their coring? One should never compare structures cut in limestone and sandstone to suggest something similar at OI. All places on this Earth are not equally as likely to have been "carved" up. One location does no allow for all others to fit in its pattern. We tend to call these places quarries today. They exist all over NS, but not at OI. Loose glacial till is excellent for a surface water well, though. Such a well will act as a sump for any water percolating in it from above which is not salty. The best place to put one is on the highest ground. That happens to be where they looked. Funny how that "aligns" and is not emphasized. lol It is always what supports belief that is emphasized, even when it is only giving a very shallow level of support.
 

That's a perspective I don't understand. The debut season in 2014 plays a bit different, as if the showrunners were finding their footing, but seasons 2-12 all seem basically the same to me. When I did a marathon watch of seasons 3-5, and then picked up on season 6, the content seemed very contiguous. Every season had its far-out theorists, disappointing dig sites, etc. Now some season's activities and discoveries were a bit more exciting than others, granted, but that's what you'd expect when the results are unknown and unknowable. So what, exactly, does "downhill" mean? Could it be that your hope or expectations of them finding something just had a finite supply, and having crossed that threshold, you are done with it? In other words, could you admit if this read on the show is merely subjective?

--GT
It has finally shown us its true colors is what I would argue. While it "explored" various ridiculous suggestions over the years it was always angling in with Rick's pet theory in the background waiting to be declared champion. This show has always been about arriving at a great Templar quest conclusion. Where we are at is pretty much approaching that sorry end. Absolutely nothing about this show has explored the value of the story as a cautionary tale about chasing unanswerable questions and wasting your life (the real treasure) in the process. Curiosity kills cats.
 

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