Secession & the Golden Circle

[ECS]

"Any people anywhere,being inclined and having the power,have the RIGHT to rise up and shake off the existing government,and form a new one that suits them better.This is a most valuable right,a most sacred right..."Abraham Lincoln,Jan 12,1848
In 1848,Lincoln believed that secession was legal,as did many others-afterall,the American Revolution was a secession from the British Empire.
The belief that a state could decide to join the Union,also meant that a state could decide to leave the Union.
This was discussed over and over again in 1857 meetings at New Orleans' Pickwick Club by Albert Pike,Judah P Benjamin,and John Slidel,which gave rise to the idea of creating a "golden circle".
Tariffs,a big revenue raiser for the Union, had been an issue since 1824,the South importing more goods than the North,paid more than half of all tariffs,but most of that revenue was spent in the North.
The leaders of the KGC,not being able to create their "golden circle",instigated the next best thing,and considered legal at the time,secession from the Union.
The Union could not afford the loss of the Southern tariff revenues,and the drums of saving the Union resounded in the North.
In 1869,the US Supreme Court ruled in Texas v White,the secession was UNCONSTITUTIONAL,a states right the states did not possess.

 

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[Rebel - KGC]

"Any people anywhere,being inclined and having the power,have the RIGHT to rise up and shake off the existing government,and form a new one that suits them better.This is a most valuable right,a most sacred right..."Abraham Lincoln,Jan 12,1848
In 1848,Lincoln believed that secession was legal,as did many others-afterall,the American Revolution was a secession from the British Empire.
The belief that a state could decide to join the Union,also meant that a state could decide to leave the Union.
This was discussed over and over again in 1857 meetings at New Orleans' Pickwick Club by Albert Pike,Judah P Benjamin,and John Slidel,which gave rise to the idea of creating a "golden circle".
Tariffs,a big revenue raiser for the Union, had been an issue since 1824,the South importing more goods than the North,paid more than half of all tariffs,but most of that revenue was spent in the North.
The leaders of the KGC,not being able to create their "golden circle",instigated the next best thing,and considered legal at the time,secession from the Union.
The Union could not afford the loss of the Southern tariff revenues,and the drums of saving the Union resounded in the North.
In 1869,the US Supreme Court ruled in Texas v White,the secession was UNCONSTITUTIONAL,a states right the states did not possess.

PROBABLY based on the Vice-Prez under Prez Thomas Jefferson in 1803 or so; in the "cloudy mist of time" after the Louisiana Purchase by TJ. V-P Aaron Burr wanted the Gulf Coast, WEST of Louisiana... & Mexico for an EMPIRE... HIS! HE wanted to be Emperor... "google" Thomas Jefferson-Aaron Burr "conflict".

 

[10claw]

Ecs and Rebel, this just shows that '' the love of money is the root of all evil ''. I think most folks know that but just in case that some don't, think about what it cost in lives ' because the union could'nt afford to lose the tariffs from the south.

 

[ECS]

Ecs and Rebel, this just shows that '' the love of money is the root of all evil ''. I think most folks know that but just in case that some don't, think about what it cost in lives ' because the union could'nt afford to lose the tariffs from the south.

The Civil War was fought based on the X Amendment concerning States rights,and the belif current at that time(read the Lincoln quote on post #1)if a state can choose to join the Union,a state had the right to leave the Union.The businessmen of the South,many were KGC,were fed up with being overtaxed by tariffs,just like the 13 colonies were with England.
In fact,the Confederate Constitution outlawed tariffs.
Slavery was never the issue for secession,RE: Article 4,Section 2-"No person held to service or labor in one State,under the laws therof,escaping into another,shall,in consequenceof any law or regulation therein,be discharged from such service or labor,but shall be delievered up on claim of the party to whom such service or labor may be due".
Slavery was legal under the Constitution,and yes,some Northerners held slaves.
At the beginning of the War of Northern Aggression,Congress had resolved that it was not waged to subjugate the South,or to free the slaves,but solely to preserve the prepetual Union.
Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation DID NOT free slaves in the Union north,-"all persons held as slaves within any State or designated part of a State,the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States,shall then,henceforth and forever free".
Lincoln only freed the slaves in the Confederate States,in which he had no Presidental power to enforce.
As noted above,secession only became UNCONSTITIONAL in 1869,with a Supreme Court ruling by Salmon Chase.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

YEP!

 

[L.C. BAKER]

Lewis Cass was already beating the "popular sovereignty" drum when Stephen Douglas was just thinking about it. Read his speech to the Democratic Democracy of Detroit, Michigan. It was given in 1854. It was about revenue, you are right about that, but the revenue was not in their pockets until later on, after Lincoln's death. During the reconstruction period the O.A.K. would exceed any realization that their K.G.C. forefathers had of gaining wealth and power.

Just my 2 cents, L.C.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Lewis Cass was already beating the "popular sovereignty" drum when Stephen Douglas was just thinking about it. Read his speech to the Democratic Democracy of Detroit, Michigan. It was given in 1854. It was about revenue, you are right about that, but the revenue was not in their pockets until later on, after Lincoln's death. During the reconstruction period the O.A.K. would exceed any thoughts that their K.G.C. forefathers had of gaining wealth and power.

Just my 2 cents, L.C.

TRUE; OAK included many VERY wealthy YANKS... ROBBER BARONS!

 

[L.C. BAKER]

Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation DID NOT free slaves in the Union north,-"all persons held as slaves within any State or designated part of a State,the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States,shall then,henceforth and forever free".
Lincoln only freed the slaves in the Confederate States,in which he had no Presidental power to enforce.
As noted above,secession only became UNCONSTITIONAL in 1869,with a Supreme Court ruling by Salmon Chase.

By 1869 the reconstruction period (CIVIL WAR II) was well under way. The O.A.K. was in control and it would make perfect since for them to seal the deal so that it could never be undone under the U.S. Constitution. You do know who was in the president's carriage when Booth made a practice run to see if the assassination squad had the guts to go through with a plan to take Lincoln alive.

Great stuff! L.C. Baker