Situation with India worsens...Indian Government demands Obama apologize.

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NEW DELHI (Reuters) - India took retaliatory measures against the United States on Wednesday in a dispute over an Indian diplomat who complained of being stripped and forced to undergo "cavity searches" while in U.S. detention.

The measures included a revision of work conditions of Indians employed at U.S. consulates and a freeze on the import of duty-free alcohol.

Devyani Khobragade, a deputy consul general at the Indian Consulate in New York, was arrested on December 12 on charges of visa fraud and underpaying her housekeeper, an Indian national. She was released on a $250,000 bail.

India has responded furiously to what it considers the degrading treatment of a senior diplomat by the United States, a country it sees as a close friend.

In an email to colleagues, Khobragade complained of "repeated handcuffing, stripping and cavity searches, swabbing" and being detained in a holding cell with petty criminals despite her "incessant assertions of immunity".

The email, reported in Indian media and confirmed as accurate by the government, caused outrage in India. With a general election due soon, politicians are determined not to be seen as soft on such an issue or unpatriotic.

Daniel Arshack, Khobragade's lawyer in New York, said India has now appointed her to its permanent mission at the United Nations in a move that Arshack maintained gives her full diplomatic immunity from prosecution "for acts before or after the appointment."

The U.S. prosecutor in New York could not immediately be reached for comment on whether the U.S. government would accept this move, or whether, as India maintains, the appointment would allow the charges to be cleared up quickly.

On Tuesday, authorities removed concrete security barriers that were used to prevent vehicles from driving at high speed near the U.S. embassy in New Delhi. The barriers would offer some protection against a suicide-bomb attack.

The U.S. Justice Department has confirmed that Khobragade was strip-searched. A senior Indian government source confirmed that the interrogation also included a cavity search.

"It is no longer about an individual, it is about our sense of self as a nation and our place in the world," Foreign Minister Salman Khurshid told parliament, whose usually fractious members showed rare unity on the issue.

Khurshid said work conditions of Indians employed in U.S. consulates would be investigated to root out any violations of labor laws, adding that there would be a freeze on the duty-free import of alcohol and food for diplomatic staff.

Several politicians argued that India provides too many perks to U.S. consular staff. Khurshid reined in some of these on Wednesday, saying passes giving such staff access to airport lounges had to be turned in by Thursday.

SMALL PROTEST

Supporters of a right-wing opposition party held a small protest near the U.S. embassy on Wednesday. About 30 demonstrators, some wearing masks of President Barack Obama and sarongs made from the U.S. flag, demanded an apology.

"It was very good that the government removed the barriers yesterday. Until the USA says sorry, we should not give any security at all to the Americans," said protester Gaurav Khattar, 33.

The U.S. State Department said it has told the Indian government it expects India to protect its embassy and stressed it does not want the incident with the diplomat to hurt ties.

The embassy did not respond to requests for information about what action would be taken to replace the barriers. The compound has several other layers of security and is protected by a high wall.

Status-conscious Indian dignitaries are often able to skip security checks and deal with legal problems discreetly in India. Less delicate handling abroad can be a shock.

A series of incidents in which politicians and celebrities have been detained or frisked at U.S. airports has heightened sensitivities about what is seen as harsh treatment abroad.

Shah Rukh Khan, one of Bollywood's best-loved actors, was detained at White Plains airport near New York City last year and at the Newark, New Jersey airport in 2009. Former president APJ Abdul Kalam was frisked on board a plane at New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport in 2011.

The Khobragade case is the latest concerning the Indian elite's alleged exploitation of their domestic workers, both at home and abroad.

Another official at India's consulate in New York was fined almost $1.5 million last year for using her maid as forced labor. Last month, the wife of a member of parliament was arrested in Delhi for allegedly beating her maid to death.

India says Khobragade's former housekeeper left her employer a few months ago and demanded help to obtain permanent resident status in the United States. She is thought to be in the United States but her whereabouts are not known.

One Indian government minister, Shashi Tharoor, has argued that it is not reasonable to expect diplomats from developing countries to pay the U.S. minimum wage to domestic staff because the envoys themselves earn less than that.

(Additional reporting by Chris Francescani in New York; Editing by Jackie Frank and Will Dunham)

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Why shouldn't BO apologize......he spent his whole first term telling the world how sorry he was....and bowing to other heads of state!
 
Does this mean that when I call the customer support line for a US company now someone actually in the US who speaks English might answer ?
 
A free on the importation of duty-free alcohol?

In the words of Bugs Bunny, "You know, of course, this means war!"

Good luck to all,

~ The Old Bookaroo
 
GMD52:

Could have been worse - he could have held hands with them.

Or kissed them.

Or flown their family members out of the country when folks from their country attacked us.

Good luck to all,

~ The Old Bookaroo
 
I don't understand why she had to have a cavity search. Our we talking about just looking in her mouth or did they go rota-rooter on her? That could be considered rape in my book. Nothing I've read has warranted the need for a cavity search.
 
Seems funny with a camera every few feet (Seems like it) there is not a tape of this, especially in a interrogation instance. I'm sure when they took a mouth swap, thats what they are talking about.
 
Seems funny with a camera every few feet (Seems like it) there is not a tape of this, especially in a interrogation instance. I'm sure when they took a mouth swap, thats what they are talking about.

good point...a mouth swab would count as a cavity search. Invasive...yes. Rota-rooter...no. I would like to take a moment to thank everybody who has replied so far in this post. I would like to see one of my threads not get locked or deleted due to bickering. Thank you all!

Crispin
 
good point...a mouth swab would count as a cavity search. Invasive...yes. Rota-rooter...no. I would like to take a moment to thank everybody who has replied so far in this post. I would like to see one of my threads not get locked or deleted due to bickering. Thank you all!

Crispin

I guarantee you the cavity search was not her mouth.....

They allow illegal aliens to stay in this country and arrest, strip and do a complete body cavity search on a female diplomat because of a visa issue....

We will NOT go quietly into the night!
 
good point...a mouth swab would count as a cavity search. Invasive...yes. Rota-rooter...no. I would like to take a moment to thank everybody who has replied so far in this post. I would like to see one of my threads not get locked or deleted due to bickering. Thank you all!

Crispin
Yeah, I was replying to the one earlier, hit reply and it was gone, poof! Ridiculous. A cavity search is not uncommon when someone has been arrested and confined. There are two types of cavity searches, manual and visual. The vast majority of the time it is a visual cavity search that is performed. I think this whole situation has been blown out of proportion myself. She didn't even have full immunity. Only now, after the fact are they granting that to her, or so I hear.
 
What if it was your grand mother, mother, wife or sister? Again this was over a visa issue....

We will NOT go quietly into the night!
 
Quelle surprise!

"With a general election just months away, the ruling Congress and the nationalist opposition Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) are both keen to be seen as standing up to the United States over the issue."

US 'regrets' diplomat treatment as India seethes

Good luck to all,

~ The Old Bookaroo
 
Yeah, I was replying to the one earlier, hit reply and it was gone, poof! Ridiculous. A cavity search is not uncommon when someone has been arrested and confined. There are two types of cavity searches, manual and visual. The vast majority of the time it is a visual cavity search that is performed. I think this whole situation has been blown out of proportion myself. She didn't even have full immunity. Only now, after the fact are they granting that to her, or so I hear.

Thank you, Diggum!

I had posted a really nice piece of information describing how consular diplomats (which she is) do not have the preconceived notion of "diplomatic immunity" that runs wild in people's imaginations.

I ask anyone to look it up... They are subject to arrest and searches.
 
What if it was your grand mother, mother, wife or sister? Again this was over a visa issue....

We will NOT go quietly into the night!

TH: I agree with you. Same team on this one. Shame that last thread got deleted...thought we were making some real progress there for a while. Que sera, sera.

The most interesting part of this story is the Indian government calculating how much the US diplomats are paying their "servants." Not undoubtedly slaves from a lower caste. Imagine when that number comes out...based on US standards they could arrest all of our diplomats. I remember somebody from a higher caste system I was talking to once tell me how they would send the five year old servant boy out in the yard with a stick to chase off the cobras! Servant my arse...slave.
 
Do Not Go Gentle Into That Good Night

Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieve it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

And you, my father, there on the sad height,
Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
 
What the hell are you all arguing about? Treasure Hunter said it best in many posts: U.S. OUT OF THE U.N./U.N. OUT OF THE U.S.
 
What the hell are you all arguing about? Treasure Hunter said it best in many posts: U.S. OUT OF THE U.N./U.N. OUT OF THE U.S.

Austin: This has nothing to do with the UN. What are you talking about?
 
What if it was your grand mother, mother, wife or sister? Again this was over a visa issue....

We will NOT go quietly into the night!
If someone breaks the law they have to deal with the consequences. Regardless. So it was a Visa issue? And? Maybe she shouldn't have lied about the subservient wages she was paying her servant/half slave? Should she be treated any differently than a homeless person that got arrested for trespassing, or the dope addict being booked on a possession charge? I don't think so. The caste system she is so comfortable with does not exist in this country, we are all equal in this country.

What the hell are you all arguing about? Treasure Hunter said it best in many posts: U.S. OUT OF THE U.N./U.N. OUT OF THE U.S.

Austin: This has nothing to do with the UN. What are you talking about?

Besides... who's arguing?
 
I also have to wonder what the wages we pay for "servants" in our embassies?(it is US property, right?) If the rest of the world decides to hold us to our own standards it could be rough.

In the article I think it said the administrative staffs wages didn't equate to that much either? Different countries have differing costs of living. Although I am not advocating any "caste" system I am with all of the Democrats on this,, let other countries decide their own future, the uncomfortable problem for democrats is we then need to leave those countries alone!
 
I am with all of the Democrats on this,, let other countries decide their own future, the uncomfortable problem for democrats is we then need to leave those countries alone!
This issue has nothing to do with any particular party affiliation. I do not support the current puppet, but I don't see any reason for an apology either. And if cheek swabbing constitutes a cavity search in her opinion then maybe she should get a real cavity search. Not to mention this from the U.S. Attorney, some of it I've already stated myself here (Actually I said it on the thread that was deleted)-

He acknowledged she had been “fully searched by a female Deputy Marshal in a private setting,” but said, “this is standard practice for every defendant, rich or poor, American or not, in order to make sure that no prisoner keeps anything on his person that could harm anyone, including himself.”
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He disputed that Khobragade was handcuffed or arrested in front of her children, and noted that she was “was accorded courtesies well beyond what other defendants … are accorded,” such as use of her cell phone and time to arrange alternative child care arrangements. He added that the housekeeper’s family had been relocated from India to the United States to ensure their safety after they were confronted about the case.

US attorney Preet Bharara comes out swinging to defend his arrest of an Indian diplomat ? Quartz


how about this breaking news- Devyani Khobragade not subjected to cavity search, claim US Marshals

Zee Media Bureau/Kamna Arora & Deepak Nagpal

11:20 pm: Devyani not subjected to cavity search - US Marshals

Indian diplomat Devyani Khobragade was not subject to cavity search, as being alleged, the US Marshals Services claimed today.

"In reference to your question about the cavity search, the answer is no," Nikki Credic-Barrett, spokesperson of the US Marshals Service, said in response to a question on the allegations by the family of the senior Indian diplomat that she was subject to cavity search. - PTI



 

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