Spanish Escudo Need Help With ID

[T Hunter]

This coin was found in the Delmarva area on the beach and we need help iding it . Thanks Mark

 

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[T Hunter]

More pics.

 

[cuzcosquirrel]

Looks similar to a 1712-1713 Mexico 4 escudos. You need to get it looked at by a professional appraiser.

 

[Mackaydon]

What is it's weight in grams?
The cross itself was also on Philip V 8-escudos in 1711, 1712 and 1713, but the images within your cross's quadrants are foreign to me--no play on words intended.

 

[T Hunter]

I will weight it this week on a certified scale .Thanks for the post Mark

 

[Trez]

Thanks for the post,
Provide the accurate weight in grams, and i am sure someone in this room will help you out.

My thoughts, hmmm.
I haven't seen this exact type before, either in books...or in person.
The previous thoughts from Macky and Cuzco hold up, but the "dot" within the 3 fluers-de-lis in the center of the coin indicate to me 1714...The cross 1712/1713 as stated.
The other elements...well they are making me scratch my head on this one.
I'll go with a later issue 1713...even a 1714 that used a 1713 die.
Buy thats just a gut guess......

Thanks again....

Trez

 

[Mackaydon]

Trez; welcome back!
Don...

 

[Mackaydon]

Approx. escudo weights: 8=27g; 4=13.5g; and 2=6.8grams.

 

[cuzcosquirrel]

From what I know, the 1711 crown is different than this one. That is why I put 1712 or 1713. Look at plate 10 in Alan K. Craig and you will see the 1711. There is a 1712 or 1713 8 escudo royal in the second National Geograpic article on the 1715 wrecks, and I am pretty sure this is the type of crown I saw on it.

Just checked my pics and found pretty much a die match from a 1713 J Mexico 4E.

 

[rfb3]

From what I know, the 1711 crown is different than this one. That is why I put 1712 or 1713. Look at plate 10 in Alan K. Craig and you will see the 1711. There is a 1712 or 1713 8 escudo royal in the second National Geograpic article on the 1715 wrecks, and I am pretty sure this is the type of crown I saw on it.

Just checked my pics and found pretty much a die match from a 1713 J Mexico 4E.

Where can one find the National Geographic article mentioned above?

 

[Mackaydon]

rfb:
Your local library will have direct or indirect (interlibrary search and recovery) access to this publication.
Don....
PS: Welcome to Treasure Net!!

 

[divewrecks]

Where can one find the National Geographic article mentioned above?

You can usually get one (the whole magazine) pretty cheap on Ebay....

Stan

 

[cuzcosquirrel]

The lack of Granada on the shield below Castille and Leon also identifies it as 1713.

 

[ANTIQUESPAINCOINS]

Hi to us!!
I'm sure that this coin is: 1 Escudo of Felipe V Mexico with mint mark xo
Which is the weigth?
Regards.
Jordi.
www.antiquespaincoins.com

 

[Mackaydon]

I agree with Cuzco about the coin being 1713. The "cross" ends to the cross indicate 1711, '12 or '13. What I also see that distinquishes it as 1713 are the two (only) verticle lines in Aragon (versus 3 in 1714) and the fully crossed "X" in Naples and Sicily (upper right--if coin were in proper position) that only appears in 1713 (of the '11, '12, and '13) coins.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

From what I know, the 1711 crown is different than this one. That is why I put 1712 or 1713. Look at plate 10 in Alan K. Craig and you will see the 1711. There is a 1712 or 1713 8 escudo royal in the second National Geograpic article on the 1715 wrecks, and I am pretty sure this is the type of crown I saw on it.

Just checked my pics and found pretty much a die match from a 1713 J Mexico 4E.

Where can one find the National Geographic article mentioned above?

I may have it but Ill have to search.

Beautiful coin but is it supposed to have that seam on the edge?

 

[jewelerdave]

NO, that seam on the edge is an indication it is a COPY.
that is the mold separation line from doing the coin in a mold. Then doing a wax injection into the mold. a slight seam line is left. Then it is lost wax cast.

I have done in personally. Notice the details are not as sharp as they should be, as its not a struck coin.
It was probably made for use in jewelry then removed. Or somoene was making a fake and was very lazy about the process.
I bet there is a spot on the coin where there is no seam line, this would be where the spru was.

Also please take note the coin is polished on both the high surfaces and the low...this can only be done by machine pin polishing. a Struck coin will have traces of mint luster from being struck, and sharp details. This coin has neither, and a seam line.

Another give away is the porosity. The little holes on the side of the coin...would not be on a struck coin.

I can say with confidence that this is a casting. most likely used for jewelry.

Not to be rude or Harsh. But its a copy.

 

[T Hunter]

Thank you very much for letting me know that it is a copy ! I was wondering that because the coin looks to good if that makes any sense. Mark

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I dont know if this has been mentioned but have it tested to see if its about 22K.

 

[T Hunter]

I really cant because its an older lady that found it years ago and i dont have the heart to tell her its a fake . Mark