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[Divemaster007]

Does anybody know of the nuestra señora del Rosario? Heard it sunk off of new York read it in one of Bob Marx's books, Any info would be appreciated!!

 

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[Galleon Hunter]

I put this wreck in the Delaware and the Virginia of my book as well as the "Ghost Wreck" section of my book. (A historical wreck but added elements of fiction...)

1785. Spanish merchantman Nuestra Señora del Rosario, Captain Moratus, arriving from the Canary Islands, wrecked near New York City; part of her cargo was saved. (1,561) From Marx's Shipwrecks of the Western Hemisphere, also cited in Unfinished Voyages by Fish.

The entry in my Delaware section of my book.

1788. Spanish merchantman Santa Rosalea, Captain Pardenus, sailing from Baltimore to Havana, wrecked near Cape Henlopen; a portion of her cargo was saved. (Note: One source mistakenly identifies the Santa Rosalea as a Scottish ship and reports she was carrying 500,000 pesos in silver bullion. See Santa Rosalia below.) (1,59,137,690)

1788. According to Lloyd’s List of September 16, 1788: the Spanish merchantman Santa Rosalia, Captain Pardenus, sailing from Baltimore to Havana was driven ashore on the Cape of Delaware and dismasted; part of her cargo was saved. (Note: Obviously the above two ships, the Santa Rosalea and the Santa Rosalia are one in the same. Robert Marx mistakenly misspelled the vessel’s name with an “ea” in Shipwrecks in the Western Hemisphere. However, both accounts are wrong as the Santa Rosalia wrecked off the Capes of Virginia during the great hurricane that struck the area on July 23. For an actual account of that wreck see the Virginia section. Donald Stewart also used the “Santa Rosalea” (failing to correct Marx’s spelling error) as the premise for a wreck he “invented” to raise investor money in the 1980’s. For an account of the fictitious Santa Rosalea see the “Ghost Wreck” section. (59,436,500,603)

The entry in my Virginia section.

1788. Spanish merchant nao Santa Rosalia, Captain A.A. Pardenus, arrived at Baltimore from Cadíz, Spain carrying a cargo consisting of 4,587 gallons of wine, 9,689 bushels of salt, and some silk handkerchiefs. The Santa Rosalia left Baltimore bound for Teneriffe on July 11, 1788. (There is no record of her outbound cargo.) Soon after leaving port, the Santa Rosalia encountered the great hurricane that struck the Virginia Capes (See Early American Hurricanes: 1492-1870.) The Pennsylvania Gazette of August 20, 1788 printed an account from Norfolk dated July 31, which stated that a Spanish ship carrying 4,000 barrels of flour wrecked on Cape Charles and all thirty people onboard perished. Lloyd’s List on September 16, 1788 mentions a Santa Rosalia as having wrecked off the Capes of Delaware. However, neither the Pennsylvania Gazette nor any other contemporary source mentions the loss of any vessels at the Capes of Delaware during this storm. Furthermore, there is no record of any other Spanish ships leaving Baltimore during this time period. Thus there is no doubt that the unidentified ship lost off Cape Charles and the Santa Rosalia is one in the same.

The entry in my "Ghost Wrecks" section.

1785. Spanish frigate Santa Rosalea, 40-guns, sailing from Havana to Cadiz via Philadelphia carrying rich cargo of silver and gold valued at over 17,000,000 pesos consigned to the King of Spain and U.S. Mint in Philadelphia, attempted to enter the Capes of Delaware but found them blocked with ice, which pierced the ship’s hull. The captain decided to sail south for Norfolk, but when she began leaking badly, he was forced to make a run for the beach. The crew jettisoned her cannons along the way. The frigate eventually struck a shoal lying south and inshore of Fenwick Shoals. She remained lodged on the reef for two days as the passengers and crew tried to reach shore. There were only nine survivors. A few months later (in March or April) the ship broke up, during which time over 500,000 pesos in treasure washed ashore about two miles south of the wreck site. (Note: This fictitious shipwreck was “invented” by Donald Stewart as a scheme to raise investment money to fund an expedition to find this wreck. He “borrowed” this ship from Marx’s Shipwrecks in the Western Hemisphere, changing the year of the loss from 1788 to 1785, but also mistakenly follows Marx’s lead in misspelling the vessels name as the real ship was called the Santa Rosalia and wrecked off the Cape of Virginia during a hurricane. Stewart also changes the voyage as a treasure ship heading to Spain when in actuality, the Santa Rosalia, arrived at Baltimore from Spain laden with a cargo primarily consisting of 9,689 bushels of salt.

I hope this helps.

 

[BVI Hunter]

I put this wreck in the Delaware and the Virginia of my book as well as the "Ghost Wreck" section of my book. (A historical wreck but added elements of fiction...)

1785. Spanish merchantman Nuestra Señora del Rosario, Captain Moratus, arriving from the Canary Islands, wrecked near New York City; part of her cargo was saved. (1,561) From Marx's Shipwrecks of the Western Hemisphere, also cited in Unfinished Voyages by Fish.

The entry in my Delaware section of my book.

1788. Spanish merchantman Santa Rosalea, Captain Pardenus, sailing from Baltimore to Havana, wrecked near Cape Henlopen; a portion of her cargo was saved. (Note: One source mistakenly identifies the Santa Rosalea as a Scottish ship and reports she was carrying 500,000 pesos in silver bullion. See Santa Rosalia below.) (1,59,137,690)

1788. According to Lloyd’s List of September 16, 1788: the Spanish merchantman Santa Rosalia, Captain Pardenus, sailing from Baltimore to Havana was driven ashore on the Cape of Delaware and dismasted; part of her cargo was saved. (Note: Obviously the above two ships, the Santa Rosalea and the Santa Rosalia are one in the same. Robert Marx mistakenly misspelled the vessel’s name with an “ea” in Shipwrecks in the Western Hemisphere. However, both accounts are wrong as the Santa Rosalia wrecked off the Capes of Virginia during the great hurricane that struck the area on July 23. For an actual account of that wreck see the Virginia section. Donald Stewart also used the “Santa Rosalea” (failing to correct Marx’s spelling error) as the premise for a wreck he “invented” to raise investor money in the 1980’s. For an account of the fictitious Santa Rosalea see the “Ghost Wreck” section. (59,436,500,603)

The entry in my Virginia section.

1788. Spanish merchant nao Santa Rosalia, Captain A.A. Pardenus, arrived at Baltimore from Cadíz, Spain carrying a cargo consisting of 4,587 gallons of wine, 9,689 bushels of salt, and some silk handkerchiefs. The Santa Rosalia left Baltimore bound for Teneriffe on July 11, 1788. (There is no record of her outbound cargo.) Soon after leaving port, the Santa Rosalia encountered the great hurricane that struck the Virginia Capes (See Early American Hurricanes: 1492-1870.) The Pennsylvania Gazette of August 20, 1788 printed an account from Norfolk dated July 31, which stated that a Spanish ship carrying 4,000 barrels of flour wrecked on Cape Charles and all thirty people onboard perished. Lloyd’s List on September 16, 1788 mentions a Santa Rosalia as having wrecked off the Capes of Delaware. However, neither the Pennsylvania Gazette nor any other contemporary source mentions the loss of any vessels at the Capes of Delaware during this storm. Furthermore, there is no record of any other Spanish ships leaving Baltimore during this time period. Thus there is no doubt that the unidentified ship lost off Cape Charles and the Santa Rosalia is one in the same.

The entry in my "Ghost Wrecks" section.

1785. Spanish frigate Santa Rosalea, 40-guns, sailing from Havana to Cadiz via Philadelphia carrying rich cargo of silver and gold valued at over 17,000,000 pesos consigned to the King of Spain and U.S. Mint in Philadelphia, attempted to enter the Capes of Delaware but found them blocked with ice, which pierced the ship’s hull. The captain decided to sail south for Norfolk, but when she began leaking badly, he was forced to make a run for the beach. The crew jettisoned her cannons along the way. The frigate eventually struck a shoal lying south and inshore of Fenwick Shoals. She remained lodged on the reef for two days as the passengers and crew tried to reach shore. There were only nine survivors. A few months later (in March or April) the ship broke up, during which time over 500,000 pesos in treasure washed ashore about two miles south of the wreck site. (Note: This fictitious shipwreck was “invented” by Donald Stewart as a scheme to raise investment money to fund an expedition to find this wreck. He “borrowed” this ship from Marx’s Shipwrecks in the Western Hemisphere, changing the year of the loss from 1788 to 1785, but also mistakenly follows Marx’s lead in misspelling the vessels name as the real ship was called the Santa Rosalia and wrecked off the Cape of Virginia during a hurricane. Stewart also changes the voyage as a treasure ship heading to Spain when in actuality, the Santa Rosalia, arrived at Baltimore from Spain laden with a cargo primarily consisting of 9,689 bushels of salt.

I hope this helps.

GH - I saw from posts long ago that you were getting a book(s) printed? are they now available?

THANKS!

 

[Galleon Hunter]

Hi BVI Hunter... I did a very small print run in hardback from an outfit in China. Sold out almost immediately. Didn't make a lot of money because I gave away copies to people like Burt Webber and others who were gracious enough to provide me with archival material, photographs, etc. I did the first batch in full-color which is really beautiful (especially the treasure and underwater pics) but cost prohibitive for most people wishing to buy the book. Ended up being 2,200 pages so I had do do it in multi-volumes. Five volumes and my cost is $80 a per... so to make even a $10 per volume profit, you are talking finding enough people to have nearly $500 if they wish to purchase the entire set. I think this puts it out of the budget of many of the divers I know. So yes, the first hardback, color version is already out but gone. I currently have an agreement with Author House to do the book in soft cover with black and white photos. Will bring the price down considerable. It is just merely me pulling the trigger (namely the out of pocket expenditure of about $3,500 to make it happen and the volumes will be available in about 30 days) I have the money set aside, but that still is a considerable chunk of change. I will be in FL in a couple of weeks and hope to get together with Terry Armstrong, (Signum Ops) show him my manuscript and book copies and see if he may be able to suggest a better printing option. Either Terry will have a suggestion or I will bite the bullet and go with the Author House option that is on the table. Will let you know something as soon as possible.

 

[BVI Hunter]

Hi BVI Hunter... I did a very small print run in hardback from an outfit in China. Sold out almost immediately. Didn't make a lot of money because I gave away copies to people like Burt Webber and others who were gracious enough to provide me with archival material, photographs, etc. I did the first batch in full-color which is really beautiful (especially the treasure and underwater pics) but cost prohibitive for most people wishing to buy the book. Ended up being 2,200 pages so I had do do it in multi-volumes. Five volumes and my cost is $80 a per... so to make even a $10 per volume profit, you are talking finding enough people to have nearly $500 if they wish to purchase the entire set. I think this puts it out of the budget of many of the divers I know. So yes, the first hardback, color version is already out but gone. I currently have an agreement with Author House to do the book in soft cover with black and white photos. Will bring the price down considerable. It is just merely me pulling the trigger (namely the out of pocket expenditure of about $3,500 to make it happen and the volumes will be available in about 30 days) I have the money set aside, but that still is a considerable chunk of change. I will be in FL in a couple of weeks and hope to get together with Terry Armstrong, (Signum Ops) show him my manuscript and book copies and see if he may be able to suggest a better printing option. Either Terry will have a suggestion or I will bite the bullet and go with the Author House option that is on the table. Will let you know something as soon as possible.

Thanks for the update!

so sorry I missed the first run, would love to have had a copy!

are the volumes in sections of areas or the like?

I'd be VERY interested in the next run for sure!

thanks

 

[Galleon Hunter]

Organized much like Marx's Shipwrecks in the Western Hemisphere... (the book that first inspired me) by geographical location. His book covers shipwrecks from 1492-1825. I did my own thesis on a Civil War blockade runner, so had tons of Civil War research I wanted to include, so I bumped the ending date back to 1900. That allowed me to include all the Civil War shipwrecks and other like the Brother Jonathan, Central America, S.S. Republic, Yankee Blade, etc. Plus a lot of other wrecks that fit Marx's time frame but were not included in his book are included. The Hamilton and Scourge, Queen Anne's Revenge, etc. You can say what you want to say about Marx's book and it's accuracy or mistakes, etc. but my hat goes off to him. How anyone could actually sit down and write a book in the days before computers is beyond me. I mean if I want to do a search for a word, or a find and replace, or cut and paste a section into another section of the book, or spell check the document, etc. it can all be done at the click of a button. How someone could sit down at a typewriter with carbon paper and write a book NOT filled with mistakes is beyond me.


Table of Contents


Introduction..................................................................................................................................... 1

[h=1]Shipwrecks in Canadian Waters[/h]
Eastern Canada........................................................................................................................ 17
Western Canada..................................................................................................................... 102
[h=1][/h][h=1]Shipwrecks in American Waters[/h]
New England
Maine................................................................................................................................ 129
New Hampshire................................................................................................................ 147
Massachusetts................................................................................................................... 153
Rhode Island.................................................................................................................... 213
Connecticut...................................................................................................................... 224

Eastern Seaboard
New York......................................................................................................................... 229
New Jersey........................................................................................................................ 268
Delaware Coast, Bay and River....................................................................................... 302

Tidewater Region
Maryland.......................................................................................................................... 324
Virginia............................................................................................................................. 342

Carolinas & Georgia
North Carolina.................................................................................................................. 411
South Carolina.................................................................................................................. 526
Georgia............................................................................................................................. 587

Florida................................................................................................................................... 608

Gulf Coast
Alabama............................................................................................................................ 823
Mississippi......................................................................................................................... 833
Louisiana.......................................................................................................................... 838
Texas................................................................................................................................. 888

Pacific Coast
California.......................................................................................................................... 921
Oregon.............................................................................................................................. 963
Washington....................................................................................................................... 986
Alaska............................................................................................................................... 997


Lake Champlain & Lake George
Lake Champlain.............................................................................................................. 1011
Lake George................................................................................................................... 1020

The Great Lakes & St. Lawrence Seaway System
Lake Ontario................................................................................................................... 1021
Lake Erie........................................................................................................................ 1050
Lake Huron..................................................................................................................... 1126
Lake Michigan................................................................................................................ 1174
Lake Superior................................................................................................................. 1251
Lake St. Clair.................................................................................................................. 1295
Detroit River................................................................................................................... 1266
St. Clair River................................................................................................................. 1301
St. Lawrence River......................................................................................................... 1303
Niagara River.................................................................................................................. 1306
Welland Canal................................................................................................................ 1310
Thames River.................................................................................................................. 1310
Maumee River................................................................................................................ 1311
St. Mary’s River............................................................................................................. 1320

Western Rivers
Ohio River...................................................................................................................... 1322
..... Monongahela River........................................................................................................ 1330
Muskingum River.......................................................................................................... 1333
Missouri River................................................................................................................ 1334
... Mississippi River........................................................................................................... 1343
Tennessee River............................................................................................................. 1372
..... Cumberland River.......................................................................................................... 1373
Tallahatchie River.......................................................................................................... 1374
Yazoo River................................................................................................................... 1374
Sunflower River............................................................................................................ 1374
Arkansas River............................................................................................................... 1376
..... Ouachita River............................................................................................................... 1379
White River.................................................................................................................... 1382
Red River....................................................................................................................... 1383
Trinity River................................................................................................................... 1388
Alabama River............................................................................................................... 1388
Tombigee River............................................................................................................. 1390
Columbia River and its tributaries................................................................................. 1390







[h=1]Shipwrecks in Bermuda, the Bahamas and the Caribbean[/h]
Bermuda.............................................................................................................................. 1394

Bahamas and Turks & Caicos.............................................................................................. 1429

Cuba.................................................................................................................................... 1511

Hispaniola............................................................................................................................ 1564

Jamaica................................................................................................................................ 1634

Cayman Islands................................................................................................................... 1664

Puerto Rico.......................................................................................................................... 1671

Virgin Islands...................................................................................................................... 1686

Lesser Antilles
Anguilla........................................................................................................................... 1707
St. Martin......................................................................................................................... 1709
St. Barthélemy................................................................................................................. 1710
Saba................................................................................................................................. 1711
St. Eustatius..................................................................................................................... 1712
St. Kitts........................................................................................................................... 1713
Nevis................................................................................................................................ 1718
Montserrat........................................................................................................................ 1722
Barbuda........................................................................................................................... 1723
Antigua............................................................................................................................ 1726
Aves or Bird Island......................................................................................................... 1729
Guadeloupe..................................................................................................................... 1730
Dominica......................................................................................................................... 1737
Martinique....................................................................................................................... 1744
St. Lucia.......................................................................................................................... 1755
St. Vincent....................................................................................................................... 1759
Barbados.......................................................................................................................... 1760
Grenadines....................................................................................................................... 1769
Grenada........................................................................................................................... 1770
Trinidad........................................................................................................................... 1773
Tobago............................................................................................................................. 1775





[h=1][/h][h=1]Shipwrecks of Mexico and Central America[/h]
Mexico................................................................................................................................. 1780

Central America
Off-Lying Areas.............................................................................................................. 1831
British Honduras – Belize............................................................................................... 1835
Honduras......................................................................................................................... 1839
El Salvador...................................................................................................................... 1844
Nicaragua......................................................................................................................... 1844
Costa Rica....................................................................................................................... 1846
Cocos Island.................................................................................................................... 1847
Panama............................................................................................................................ 1851

[h=1]Shipwrecks of South America[/h]
West Coast
Colombia......................................................................................................................... 1861
Ecuador........................................................................................................................... 1873
Peru.................................................................................................................................. 1888
Chile................................................................................................................................ 1893
Juan Fernández Islands................................................................................................... 1900
Galapagos Islands............................................................................................................ 1902

East Coast
Venezuela........................................................................................................................ 1903
British Guiana – Guyana................................................................................................. 1925
Dutch Guiana – Surinam................................................................................................. 1925
French Guiana................................................................................................................. 1926
Brazil............................................................................................................................... 1927
Uruguay........................................................................................................................... 1947
Argentina......................................................................................................................... 1956
Falkland Islands.............................................................................................................. 1964

Ghost Wrecks...................................................................................................................... 1968

Bibliography........................................................................................................................ 1984

References Cited................................................................................................................. 1948

 

[TwoYewts]

Just a thought and possible option; but, you could also try using a social crowd funding site like www.kickstarter.com to fund the cost of producing your book. Never tried doing a crowd funding site myself for anything; but, it may open your project up to others interested in the material besides those that frequent this type of forum. Taking a quick look at the projects listed in the publishing section of the kickstarter site you can easily see by how many are fully or over-funded and how it can be a possible option for you

Best of luck with the next print run if/when you do it!

 

[SADS 669]

Thanks for the update! so sorry I missed the first run, would love to have had a copy! are the volumes in sections of areas or the like? I'd be VERY interested in the next run for sure! thanks

Like BVI, put me down for a complete copy, I'll even send you the funds ahead of time to help out with the printing, this might be a way to raise enough funds so the "ouch" is not too painful. Anyway let me know how I and I bet there are many others can help...... Ps my opinion is that a full color copy is always gonna sell better than a cheaper version regardless of cost

 

[BVI Hunter]

GH -!fanatastic contents!

What are the chances of purchasing a section or two now?
Happy to pay obviously!!
Feel,free to PM me?

Thanks

 

[Divemaster007]

Hi galleon hunter! How would I get my hands on the loyds list that you told me about? Is it good for other wrecks in other waters?

 

[hobbit]

Hi galleon hunter! How would I get my hands on the loyds list that you told me about? Is it good for other wrecks in other waters?

Catalog Record: Lloyd's list | Hathi Trust Digital Library

 

[Divemaster007]

Thank you hobbit!!

 

[SADS 669]

Catalog Record: Lloyd's list | Hathi Trust Digital Library

Outstanding post!!

 

[hobbit]

Outstanding post!!

Glad to be of some help. Keep in mind the individual volumes are very searchable. For instance, type "lost" in the search bar. ( In the very early volumes type "loft" instead !!

"bilged" is another good term to search, as is "wrecked".

If you are looking for a particular area, just type in the name..."Bahamas", "Florida", "Carolina"...whatever...

Keep old spellings in mind, especially in the very early volumes..."gulf" might not find you much, but "Gulph" just might !!

Combinations work too...try "Gulph of Florida" or "Florida Gulph", for instance.

 

[Divemaster007]

Very good pointers!! Thanks for the tips! This is useable world wide?

 

[hobbit]

Very good pointers!! Thanks for the tips! This is useable world wide?

Oh, yes. Just keep an open mind and be creative with your search terms. Don't just use cities or countries...try the names of bodies of water or reefs or shoals or whatever...all kinds of things will pop up.

I will say, though, that the authors did not do a very good job of updating their information. Many times a ship will be listed as "totally lost"...and then the same ship with the same captain will arrive in a port at a later time. Just the nature of news in the "old days".