Sword Identification Help needed

[XL-PRO PRO]

This sword was found in the wall of an old house locally.The owner has offered to sell but I have no ideal where to start.Any suggestions?Thanks!

 

[fishguy]

look on the blade near the hilt for any markings, and post em also a few different angles would really help to identify it. Maybe a picture of the pommels end. These are the places I look when buying bayonnets so would assume it is the same for swords. Before you make any offer it is best to make sure its real. Tons of really good remakes and fakes out there and made along time ago so looking old dosn't help.

 

[XL-PRO PRO]

Thanks;This was unadvertised and I was asked to look at it.I know the owners,so I don't think it's a scam.We'll know more later today!

 

[pippinwhitepaws]

REGULATION US SWORD IDENTIFICATION

 

[ECS]

Confederate Manufactures

 

[pippinwhitepaws]

the sword appears to be a 1840 model, artillery sword...
need length, blade and overall length, tang stamp...better photos...

why does everyone believe any old sword in the united states is confederate?

 

[pippinwhitepaws]

did it have a blade collar? a strap of metal at the hand guard...disappears into the scabbard?

 

[XL-PRO PRO]

Canyon,I don't think so.I did notice that the scabbard overlapped otherwise the blade looked rather crude.

 

[fishguy]

I would have been comfortable at $50 also even if its not genuine its worth that much as a conversation starter. Let us know whats up when you get your hands on it. Good luck!

 

[TheCannonballGuy]

I believe I know the specific identity of your sword. I sent you a Private Message about it, but got no reply from you. I hope you will see this message, and respond.

 

[pippinwhitepaws]

I believe I know the specific identity of your sword. I sent you a Private Message about it, but got no reply from you. I hope you will se this message, and respond.

so I was incorrect?

 

[TheCannonballGuy]

Yes, your guess is incorrect. It is definitely not a Model-1840 artillery sword.

I interpreted you post as a guess, because you said "appears to be." I do that myself, when I'm not 100% certain about the object which has been posted, some uncertainty being due to not enough photos, and/or incomplete information, such as lack of precise measurements.

As you know, most versions of antique Military swords have been reproduced in modern times. This one doesn't "look" like a reproduction, but anything is possible in the Antiques market nowadays. I have some longtime personal friends who are expert enough to say for certain whether it is an Original or a Repro.

 

[XL-PRO PRO]

New Pics.

OK folks,I now have the sword in hand.Overall length is 401/2",blade is 35".The story is that it was found in the rafters of an old house built after the civil war.There was some action in this area and it was occupied by both armies at various stages.Here are some better pictures.

 

[XL-PRO PRO]

Here are the only markings that are readily visible,one on the scabbard throat and one on the brass guard.

 

[Thommy]

BANNER FIND -YOU HAVE A VERY VALUABLE SWORD!!!! It is a "DOG RIVER CAVALRY SABER" -CONFEDERATE!!!!!!
AND THE SCABBARD IS WORTH ALMOST AS MUCH AS THE SWORD!!!
I had one just like it in the 90's sold it during my divorce (which I regret to this day).
BE sure you do not clean it any more. Leave it alone. I've nominated it for a "Banner Find"

Confederate Dog River Sword, - Cowan's Auctions

 

[Tnmountains]

If it was made in Mobil Ala it would be worth quiet a bit. It almost looks to be an ames light calvary sword. A dog river is 40.5 inches. There should be some I.D near the pommel were struck maybe not. It is in very poor condition unfortunately . You used to be able to pick up the old wrist breakers for around $400.00. Condition is everything for a good price. Please do not do any restoration yourself if it turns out to be a rarer and possible confederate sword . Very cool. I like swords.

 

[XL-PRO PRO]

The fact that it has no markings than the two marks(roman numerals?) on the scabbard throat and guard,unstopped fuller and a rather crude casting of the guard leads me to believe it would be of confederate manufacture.The wire on the handle is iron(checked it with a magnet).Until I figure out for certain what it is I have no plans to clean it and then I'll probably leave that process to a pro.Thanks Dave.

 

[Goldiver]

It looks to me to be a Kenansville Second Model Cavalry Saber. The scabbard is marked with a roman numeral II and so is the sword. Here is an example for sale..... Artifacts For Sale

That is a rare and very cool example you have.

Steve

 

[XL-PRO PRO]

I have to agree that this is a Kenansville Armoury product.The only variance is the iron wire wrap on the hilt,where the ones I have seen appear to be copper.Other than that,everything else checks out.Thanks,David.

 

[csachipper]

I agree, it appears to be a Kenansville. Froelich put Roman Numerals on his swords. I have XIX on mine. If you could take one more photo of the sword looking down blade so that you could see the "basket" or hand guard, it would help. The non-stop fuller definitely points toward a Confederate sword.