lokiblossom
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yeah your probably right, I like my floating trash theory better too.
yep, trash floating from the Indian Ocean to the Western Atlantic is a lot more feasible!
Cheers, loki
yeah your probably right, I like my floating trash theory better too.
Or from a ship torpedoed in the North Atlantic in WWI or WWII. Carbon dating fails when applied to organics exposed to salt water. Look it up. It can cause a 400 to 1,000 year error. Radiocarbon dating requires an organism die (that's when metabolism stops). But an object exposed to seawater keeps getting saturated with ions that mess up the sample. That's why a lab should have come collect multiple sample, not someone grab a handful and tale it to the lab. Opes the sample up to contamination and poor collection (and chain of evidence/custody).
https://www.radiocarbon.com/marine-reservoir-effect.htm
Coconut fiber , coir, was a common component in ship construction, it was used as caulking fiber between the planks of the hull as well as other seals where it was desired to keep water tight.
it is also the only natural fiber that is resistant to salt water, so it would have been used right up to the industry use of chemicals and plastics, about the 1950’s
Oak Island still looks like an early ship yard to me.
and this could have happened with or without the Templars.
Not so, the stuff is dated to before the columbian era.
cheers, Loki
well I mean there was coconuts being brought to south america during the pre columbian era right? specifically around Brazil I think.
No!
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Didn't catch your edit, but yes to Panama, but only the Pacific Coast!
got ya. Did they ever do a dna test on this stuff? can't remember
No, and that is what I'm calling for. I had a chance to do it myself back in 09 but passed, now hoping someone will pick it up and do things right.
Cheers, Loki
You should look it up, your issues apply to material that lived in deep seawater, otherwise, not so much! Yep, and also that is why I'm calling for another series of tests, although there have been more than one.
Not just "living in deep water", but from samples exposed to water that has been deep. It's 6,000 meters deep along the trench from Bermuda to Halifax - and the Gulf Stream takes that same seawater right to Nova Scotia.
Is it at all possible to obtain a "True" Carbon 14 dating with all the Radioactive Dump sites located around Oak Island?
"Nuclear tests, nuclear reactors and the use of nuclear weapons have also changed the composition of radioisotopes in the air over the last few decades. This human nuclear activity will make precise dating of fossils from our lifetime very difficult due to contamination of the normal radioisotope composition of the earth with addition artificially produced radioactive atoms."
Inaccurate dating by questionable experts....etc.Not so, the stuff is dated to before the columbian era.
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Inaccurate dating by questionable experts....etc.
FACT: coconut fiber was used right up to and including WW2
Yes I do, and I am sorry that you are still wrong. I believe that if the evidence as I describe it was presented to an intelligent and unbiased observer he or she would come to the conclusion that with a positive identification of the material as coconut fibre it would be considered viable evidence of a Knights Templar landing on Oak Island! The problem would be in finding an unbiased observer on this forum.
Really... No one else was trading in the Eastern Mediterranean EXCEPT the KT...The only people trading in the Eastern Mediterranean and traveling the length of that sea and into the Atlantic was the Knights Templar
lol... An unbiased observer.. You have to be kidding right?
First the evidence I have seen supports the coconut fibers are from the Caribbean (According the the Museum of the Atlantic)
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as to this claim
Really... No one else was trading in the Eastern Mediterranean EXCEPT the KT...
You have (Seen) evidence that the KT were trading with native Americans? Where is it?
You have evidence that the KT were the greatest sea faring trading group at the time? Where is this?
How come no mainstream historians think this?
So the Spanish, Portuguese, French were not trading in the Mediterranean at this period of time? Really.... So all other recorded European history is incorrect. The great trading nation(group) of 13/1400s were the KT. These were the only group that had ships that could cross the Atlantic. This piece of information has escaped all other historians... There is no way for example a Spanish ship could of crossed the Atlantic. Columbus obviously was a KT... Right?
The KT were basically a bunch of thugs/mercenaries that hired out to protect people in the "Holey Lands"...
Your claims are just your assertions backed up with no evidence. To say an unbiased observer would come to the same conclusion is ridiculous....
To simply claim something is true does not make it so....
The key word here is "precise". In C-14 dating there is always a range given, a plus or minus figure that takes into account various scenarios. This is determined by experts in the field who are at least more qualified than myself. I do not think arguing about the validity of their findings is in any way productive unless one of you detractors can show your own qualifications are at least equal. When I quote an expert on subjects such as the source of coconut palms in the Atlantic Basin I don't attempt to show why they are wrong or for that matter why they are right, they are, qualified experts and in my humble opinion that is enough. There may be an argument as to the material tested actually being coconut fibre (although there have been at least three identifications) but the dating of that material (twice) to within the ranges given should be accurate enough to set, at least that part of the argument, to bed.
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So the Maritime Museum of the Atlantic is wrong? So write and tell them that. I find them a credible source. What is your source that the fibers are from the Mediterranean?Wow, you make a lot of claims of what I wrote, but most are not accurate. As for the coconut fibre being Caribbean, if dated correctly that cannot be true as no coconuts grew there before the 16th century. Btw, it is fairly new studies that have proven that.
So if others were trading there why are they not equally as likely to have sailed elsewhere?I never wrote nobody else was trading in the Eastern Mediterranean.
So why were they sailing to North America then?I never wrote that the Templars were trading with Native Americans, and btw, in Canada it would be "First Nations".
Claims what then? You say it is not claiming they were the only people trading… and does not claim they were trading with North America… So what is it claiming?The only people trading in the Eastern Mediterranean and traveling the length of that sea and into the Atlantic was the Knights Templar
Your argument is that they were the only ones capable of getting to Canada.. If not your whole argument that the coconut fibers MUST HAVE BEEN left by the KT is disproved. If others were capable of getting there (even accepting that your origin and date are correct) then there is NO REASON to believe that this is evidence of KT. It could have been anyone ….I never wrote that the Templars were the greatest sea faring trading group at the time.
The point being that your whole argument rests on the assertion that it COULD ONLY HAVE BEEN THE KT THAT LEFT THE COCONUT FIBRES THERE… My point is they earliest known trips to the Americas were not Knights Templar…The ship Columbus used was of almost 200 years later vintage then the Templar ships, but that really has nothing to do with what I wrote.
What ship traded in the Eastern Mediterranean and sailed the Atlantic in the 13th and early 14th century.