Testing yields new evidence of human occupation 18,000 years ago in Eastern Oregon - KTVZ

[Tnmountains]

Testing yields new evidence of human occupation 18,000 years ago in Eastern Oregon

Oregon archaeologists have found evidence suggesting humans occupied the Rimrock Draw Rockshelter outside of Riley, Oregon more than 18,000 years ago.

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[UnderMiner]

You know what this means? This means humans (the first Americans) would have bore witness to the Missoula floods which inundated Washington state and Oregon with several massive deluges of melted glacial water as the last Ice Age came to a close about 15,000 - 13,000 years ago.

The Missoula floods created many of the geologic anomalies we can still see in the landscape of that part of the country. In the 1920's a few people questioned why it appeared as if water had carved many of the rocks and left ripples on the landscape.

Some proposed it was from a flood. This theory was initially met with skepticism but is now widely accepted fact. The disaster is estimated to have happened as a result of a giant ice dam breaking and spilling billions of gallons of melt water. This event would have killed a great number of animals and any people who happened to have been in the area.

 

[releventchair]

You know what this means? This means humans (the first Americans) would have bore witness to the Missoula floods which inundated Washington state and Oregon with several massive deluges of melted glacial water as the last Ice Age came to a close about 15,000 - 13,000 years ago.

The Missoula floods created many of the geologic anomalies we can still see in the landscape of that part of the country. In the 1920's a few people questioned why it appeared as if water had carved many of the rocks and left ripples on the landscape.

Some proposed it was from a flood. This theory was initially met with skepticism but is now widely accepted fact. The disaster is estimated to have happened as a result of a giant ice dam breaking and spilling billions of gallons of melt water. This event would have killed a great number of animals and any people who happened to have been in the area.

Mounds so often are near water. At least many of the surviving bulldozer mounds are...

Spring run off in a river valley near me sees water for above summer levels and wandering in the woods.
The non burial mounds have had me think in spring they'd be good spots to keep ones feet dry...
Maybe to sleep dry too, with only one eye opened expecting rising water.

I've had my disagreements with archeologists about who the real looters and grave robbers are.
And I stay off and clear of the mounds here.
Those who dug them of course left little speculation in thier wakes. Science not being conclusive as science is want to do.
Still , thier diggings have given some insight into sites. More questions than answers of course , thus please help by funding our amazing endeavors to beat the pothunters to history they would erase ect..

Floods are part of multiple cultures histories.
And once a flood is witnessed , vantages (dry sites , terrain/height) to know of the next threat of floods have a very different appeal than they had prior.
And some of those sites bear witness to humans perspectives by using them.

 

[Tnmountains]

I can remember when the oldest age was around 10,000 years ago. Then it was 12,000 years and it got stretched to 13,000 years. Probably had occupation older than the Oregon site as small bands of Nomadic hunters explored.
Be little evidence left and this find it pretty solid. So if you ever wonder about those random unifaced tools you find there really is no telling of the age unless in context.
HH

 

[unclemac]

You know what this means? This means humans (the first Americans) would have bore witness to the Missoula floods which inundated Washington state and Oregon with several massive deluges of melted glacial water as the last Ice Age came to a close about 15,000 - 13,000 years ago.

The Missoula floods created many of the geologic anomalies we can still see in the landscape of that part of the country. In the 1920's a few people questioned why it appeared as if water had carved many of the rocks and left ripples on the landscape.

Some proposed it was from a flood. This theory was initially met with skepticism but is now widely accepted fact. The disaster is estimated to have happened as a result of a giant ice dam breaking and spilling billions of gallons of melt water. This event would have killed a great number of animals and any people who happened to have been in the area.

...and washed away a lot of early habitation evidence too.

 

[unclemac]

the real evidence is under water at what the coast would have been.

 

[Centsless Detecting]

I'm fascinated with the Missoula flood and what it left in its path of destruction. Randal Carlson has spent decades studying catastrophes of the past. Lots of shows and podcasts with many many hours of good information by him and others.

 

[jeff of pa]

Earth is estimated to be 4.54 billion years old,
My guess Humans have been here at least a Few times over that period. as for proof ? Forget it, it's all turned to Sand, coal, Oil, & Gas even Glass only lasts a Million Years.

As for "Americans " . only since the 1500's. when America was named
Before that they were just here til someone invented the word "Human" in the 1200's before that maybe "Bub", "Uuh" or "Aaarrrrggg "

 

[Older The Better]

That’s cool to see a site that sounds pretty trustworthy, as far as dating techniques, that helps push back the clock. Im sold currently on the white sands footprints. Each site that proves people were here before the last ice free corridor, blows up the argument that people couldn’t have came earlier, and without ice being a limitation really opens up the possibilities.

 

[unclemac]

Earth is estimated to be 4.54 billion years old,
My guess Humans have been here at least a Few times over that period. as for proof ? Forget it, it's all turned to Sand, coal, Oil, & Gas even Glass only lasts a Million Years.

As for "Americans " . only since the 1500's. when America was named
Before that they were just here til someone invented the word "Human" in the 1200's before that maybe "Bub", "Uuh" or "Aaarrrrggg "

so true, a lot of tribal names for themselves translate into something like that.... like the (Navaho) calling themselves Dine, meaning "the people".

 

[Charl]

I can remember when the oldest age was around 10,000 years ago. Then it was 12,000 years and it got stretched to 13,000 years. Probably had occupation older than the Oregon site as small bands of Nomadic hunters explored.
Be little evidence left and this find it pretty solid. So if you ever wonder about those random unifaced tools you find there really is no telling of the age unless in context.
HH

And even back in those early days, there were already sites, Meadowcroft Rockshelter in Pa., Monte Verde at the tip of Chile, that yielded earlier dates. It’s taken a long time.

Still waiting on re-dating the White Sands footprints that had dated 21,000-23,000 when first published. Needs other dating methods to eliminate possibility they are much younger.

The peopling of the Americas just a great puzzle and fun to go along for the ride….

 

[Charl]

That’s cool to see a site that sounds pretty trustworthy, as far as dating techniques, that helps push back the clock. Im sold currently on the white sands footprints. Each site that proves people were here before the last ice free corridor, blows up the argument that people couldn’t have came earlier, and without ice being a limitation really opens up the possibilities.

I was pretty excited by the White Sands dates, since it would put humans here during the LGM, and it seemed to lend indirect support to that cave in Mexico with dates of 30,000 years, since, if in White Sands by 23,000, then they must have arrived quite a bit earlier.

Anyway, dates are being debated now, because of possible dates skewed by plants being dated having been aquatic plants…

Scientists still are figuring out how to age the ancient footprints in White Sands National Park

The millennia old footprints are caught in an archaeological debate due to a dating method and erasure of indigenous knowledge.

www.popsci.com

 

[Oregon Viking]

Testing yields new evidence of human occupation 18,000 years ago in Eastern Oregon

Oregon archaeologists have found evidence suggesting humans occupied the Rimrock Draw Rockshelter outside of Riley, Oregon more than 18,000 years ago.

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Just down the road from me.

In 2002, a team of researchers from Oregon State University found evidence of human presence on the southern Oregon coast at the Indian Sands area of Boardman State Park dating more than 10,000 years ago — more than 2,000 years older than previously known archaeological sites on Oregon's coast. Carbon dating of artifacts (similar to ones found on the Alaskan and British Columbia coasts) suggested an origin approximately 12,000 years ago.

 

[UnderMiner]

...and washed away a lot of early habitation evidence too.

Yep, and whatever evidence wasn't already scraped away by the glaciers, earth quakes, and other cataclysms, even simple rain after a mere 10,000 years would render most man-made things unrecognizable.

 

[jeff of pa]

Yep, and whatever evidence wasn't already scraped away by the glaciers, earth quakes, and other cataclysms, even simple rain after a mere 10,000 years would render most man-made things unrecognizable.

that's why I don't brush things off as simply "pareidolia"
because they don't have tooling marks, or don't fit the status quo archeologists set forth. there are too many possibilities
of changes in a Million Years of the Earth working on things