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[robertwhite]

Robert White, So you don't give 2 about the time a worker puts in! Hope for your sake your boss doesn't feel that way.

1. And yet again for the umpteenth time in this thread, you fail to address the statement/inquiry/comment/facts with your reply.

2. My boss? Actually, I have no boss as I am retired.

3. I don't know about the hundreds of other posters in this thread, but I personally think you are full of cattle patties. There is no cache, nevermind a cache worth millions of dollars. And on the off chance I am wrong, you would have to be the most ignorant treasure hunter in the world, as no one in their right mind would turn down 3 million dollars, period.


I might be new here, but I am not new to human nature and the tales they tell.

 

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[ppratt]

Close I'm 37 I started when I was 12. Whats my age have to do anything about this post.

 

[GoGoGopher]

In some cases...Honesty is STUPID!!!...I would have NEVER told him I was hunting for something that might be valuable...I would have just asked permission to hunt his land, then went from there...
Also, if I was after a multi-million dollar cache...I sure as hell would not be posting about it on a forum...I think your just a lonely kid looking for attention that Mommy cannot give...
Do you not think that there are more greedy men than you...You're NOT that hard to find, and I would follow you night and day to find this cache of yours...But luckily...I am smarter than that.

HH,

 

[bosco]

So a drive from Illinois to Maryland wouldn't be advised...LOL.

 

[spartacus53]

If this post keeps up my grandchildren will be replying and we'll still be no where closer to an actual hunt

 

[Rick_72]

My gosh, you guys are getting wordy with your posts!
.....the fact that you mentioned that all it took was several hours at the library. In fact I spent no hours at the library for this one , but over a year on computer and on ground searching, including interviewing.
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I looked back through my post's and didn't see a reference to "library" at all. Maybe got me mixed up with another post? I always gave credit for the research you've conducted in this search in all of my posts. I truely believe that you and your partner's research deserves some sort of reward in this hunt. I'm just concerned that without negotiation that reward will not be realized...I can't imagine anyone coming this far and not putting a shovel in the ground over 1 million out of a possible 4.

 

[Frankn]

Robertwhite. You say I sidetrack questions and in the next line you sidetrack my comment about value of work by simply saying you are retired!

ppratt, about the same as your fathers age.

GoGoGopher, you would have just ask permission and not mentioned the cache. #1, You probably would not have gotten permission and #2, Just as you bring the gold coins to the light of day he looks at you and sayes it's mine.

bosco, your an adverturer! lol

Spart, I doubt it, at 74, I will be gone before that happens.

Rick72, You are correct. The couple of hours at the library comment belongs to ppratt post # 730. The posts are getting longer and I have been putting in some time on that S E Pa. cache. No permission problem there.

 

[Rick_72]

Yeah that PA cache is a very interesting story...I've been posting there a bit too, fun to get involved. The more idea's that sound crazy (like mine) that come out in that hunt, the more interesting that town sounds haha.

 

[robertwhite]

Language

Robertwhite. You say I sidetrack questions and in the next line you sidetrack my comment about value of work by simply saying you are retired!

What does that even mean? You asked if my boss valued my work and I replied that I am retired so therfore I have no boss to either value or not value my time. Doesn't get any simpler than that.

So once again, you are not answering a direct question...................... Why is it that $4M would be just fine with you, yet for $3M you won't even consider it?

So, as I sated before, you are full of it There is NO mult-million dollar cache, so why not stop jerking everybody's chain? Is it that you get pleasure from lying to hundreds of fellow detector hunters? Pretty damn lame.

 

[Crispin]

Hi Frankn,
I have zero experience at THing but I know a whole lot about people and getting a long with difficult people. The problem boils down to satisfying his ego without getting your ego hurt. You put a lot of work and effort into this project and deserve to be compensated appropriately. The landowner will never understand this. He probably feels that he deserves 90% of it because it is his land. I doubt either one of you will see this differently. You need to shift the point of focus and the nature of the discussion.

Try taking him out for a meal or to the pub. Show him all the leg work you have put in on a previously successful treasurehunt. He will see how hard you worked but it will not reveal anything about the current treasure. Compliment him, feed his narcissism. Put your ego aside and focus on the main goal...getting the treasure. I would also point out that you are both losing money on leaving the treasure in the ground because you can invest it and profit off it. Maybe find out if he wants a new car or something similiar. Tell him what you plan on using the money for and why you cannot afford to take a significant cut. After you get on friendly terms maybe offer a symbolic split to pacify him like 52/48. Remember that you are making a sales pitch, "The answer NO is simply a request for my information." Keep on friendly terms with him and make contact often. If you do not talk to him then you will never make a deal. Waiting things out usually leads to stubborness and less likely for people to give in. You can try reading the old book, "How to win friends and influence people." I think it would be worth your time. If you are serious about learning this process send me a private email and I would be happy to help guide you.
Good luck.

 

[ticm]

Hi Frankn,
I have zero experience at THing but I know a whole lot about people and getting a long with difficult people. The problem boils down to satisfying his ego without getting your ego hurt. You put a lot of work and effort into this project and deserve to be compensated appropriately. The landowner will never understand this. He probably feels that he deserves 90% of it because it is his land. I doubt either one of you will see this differently. You need to shift the point of focus and the nature of the discussion.

Try taking him out for a meal or to the pub. Show him all the leg work you have put in on a previously successful treasurehunt. He will see how hard you worked but it will not reveal anything about the current treasure. Compliment him, feed his narcissism. Put your ego aside and focus on the main goal...getting the treasure. I would also point out that you are both losing money on leaving the treasure in the ground because you can invest it and profit off it. Maybe find out if he wants a new car or something similiar. Tell him what you plan on using the money for and why you cannot afford to take a significant cut. After you get on friendly terms maybe offer a symbolic split to pacify him like 52/48. Remember that you are making a sales pitch, "The answer NO is simply a request for my information." Keep on friendly terms with him and make contact often. If you do not talk to him then you will never make a deal. Waiting things out usually leads to stubborness and less likely for people to give in. You can try reading the old book, "How to win friends and influence people." I think it would be worth your time. If you are serious about learning this process send me a private email and I would be happy to help guide you.
Good luck.

Yes Franklin call in the next ten minutes and send a check for $19.95.

 

[Crispin]

Yes, call in less then 24 hours and you will not only got the do-it-all wonder kitchen appliance but we will throw in the never-dull set of knives at no cost to you! Prices do not include shipping and handling.

 

[Crispin]

There is always hope. I think people just misunderstand you. Sarcasm is a very sophisticated sense of humor. Unfortunately I'm down to my last do-it-all wonder kitchen appliance, and I offered it to Frankn first. However, if he is not interested then you will be next on the list. You sure you don't want the never-dull kitchen knives? If you are not allowed anything too sharp then I can always dull them before I mail them out. Postage and handling not included.

 

[spartacus53]

Spart, I doubt it, at 74, I will be gone before that happens.

Exactly my point, heck we may both be gone by that time

Funny thing is this forum will still be here and so will people reading and replying... Including my grandchildren

And still not a moment closer to resolving the issue at hand

 

[Frankn]

Robert, You are avoiding the question, so let me rephrase it to help you out. You said the time my partner and I put in does not count.
Do you think time YOU put in on a job should count. If you are capable give me a yes or no. NOW TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. You look at it as $$$. I look at it as a fair split based on effort put forth. In reality no one knows what is comming out of the hole. The cachier might have used some of the money, or even returned and liberater it many years ago. By the way, those offcolor remarks only reflect on your character, they don't bother me in the least.

Crispin, sounds good and would do wonders in a regular business deal, but a cache hunter never,never talks about his past finds and that is carved in stone. My hearing is bad so batting the breeze is out and I never ask what he is going to do with his cut and vice versa. Sure it's business, but in a different world. Good post

 

[ppratt]

I think my time is worth money when it's my job that I was tasked to do. If i just do something out of the blue that's not my job it's a gamble. My daughter just found that out she washed my dads truck before asking him hoping he would just give her some cash. Well she got done and he thanked her no money was given. She told me I thought pappy would have giving me something I told her no deal was made next time ask.

 

[Frankn]

ppratt, You know what you just said? Since you are not tasked to do anything, YOUR TIME IS WORTLESS!!!!!!!!
Pay the girl, you cheapskate. She does a job out of love and you turn into Scrooge!!!!!!

 

[Kentucky Kache]

Hi Frankn,
I have zero experience at THing but I know a whole lot about people and getting a long with difficult people. The problem boils down to satisfying his ego without getting your ego hurt. You put a lot of work and effort into this project and deserve to be compensated appropriately. The landowner will never understand this. He probably feels that he deserves 90% of it because it is his land. I doubt either one of you will see this differently. You need to shift the point of focus and the nature of the discussion.

Try taking him out for a meal or to the pub. Show him all the leg work you have put in on a previously successful treasurehunt. He will see how hard you worked but it will not reveal anything about the current treasure. Compliment him, feed his narcissism. Put your ego aside and focus on the main goal...getting the treasure. I would also point out that you are both losing money on leaving the treasure in the ground because you can invest it and profit off it. Maybe find out if he wants a new car or something similiar. Tell him what you plan on using the money for and why you cannot afford to take a significant cut. After you get on friendly terms maybe offer a symbolic split to pacify him like 52/48. Remember that you are making a sales pitch, "The answer NO is simply a request for my information." Keep on friendly terms with him and make contact often. If you do not talk to him then you will never make a deal. Waiting things out usually leads to stubborness and less likely for people to give in. You can try reading the old book, "How to win friends and influence people." I think it would be worth your time. If you are serious about learning this process send me a private email and I would be happy to help guide you.
Good luck.

In other words, pitch him an infomercial. Not everyone is gullible like those who order gadgets from TV ads, and since this guy is a land investor, I assume he's no dummy. Unfortunately, not everyone can see through that fake jive, but many can.

Frank, where do you get the notion that cache hunters never talk about their past finds? That may be true for forums, but with a potintiol customer, I'd tell him about my successes.

 

[robertwhite]

Robert, You are avoiding the question, so let me rephrase it to help you out. You said the time my partner and I put in does not count.
Do you think time YOU put in on a job should count. If you are capable give me a yes or no.

I'm avoiding a question? Wow, are you really this thickheaded in real life? Maybe that is why you are getting nowhere on this deal after more than a year.

The time I put in at my PAID job is valued at whatever pay I am owed by either contract or agreement. It has nothing to do with what the boss thinks. He pays me for my job and I go about my business.

NO ONE told you to start researching this cache. The LO is not your boss and owes you exactly ZERO for any time you put in on your own time. You are not and were not ever in his employ, so he owes you jack squat. As I said before, if I was the LO and you came at me with your "you owe me" attitude, I would have told you to long ago. How you can argue that the man "owes" you anything for your time is pathetic. He owes you nothing. And the fact that you think it should be split 3 ways is even more pathetic. YOU are the one who has a partner, not the LO. Again, the fact that you argue this is both pathetic and baseless.

You have some coming up to (or emailing) the landowner and telling him that he has some treasure on HIS land and that you will dig it up and split it with him 66% to 33% in your favor. Yes, big balls indeed at least behind a computer or piece of mail. If you really had some balls or even ethics as you say, you would knock on the mans door or place of business and discuss it face to face. He thinks you are full of as do I. And I would bet both myself and the LO are spot on.

NOW TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. You look at it as $$$. I look at it as a fair split based on effort put forth. In reality no one knows what is comming out of the hole. The cachier might have used some of the money, or even returned and liberater it many years ago.

You are so full of it. Again, YOU are the one who WANTED to put in the time and money. The LO did not want nor ask you to. To say that you are asking for a "fair split" based on your effort is hilarious at best. He owes you NOTHING, period.

If a team of traveling gypsies came and sprayed new tar on your driveway prior to asking your permission and then came and asked you to pay them, would you? If you would, you just got scammed. A normal person would tell them to take a hike. They put in the work without asking and they deserve exactly nothing.

I think my time is worth money when it's my job that I was tasked to do. If i just do something out of the blue that's not my job it's a gamble.

It doesn't get any easier than that, yet Frankn will still argue the point.


And once again Frankn since you still have not answered after repeated attempts to get a simple answer.

Why is it OK to get $4M from the cache, but not $3M?

Do you think you can actually answer that very simple question without sidestepping it? You must hang out with as he is also very adept at sidestepping actual facts and inserting his own dribble.

The fact remains that you are full of and you know it. Problem is that you are so deep in thisthat you can't find a way out. Pathetic, just plain, pathetic.

 

[ppratt]

ppratt, You know what you just said? Since you are not tasked to do anything, YOUR TIME IS WORTLESS!!!!!!!!
Pay the girl, you cheapskate. She does a job out of love and you turn into Scrooge!!!!!!<img src="http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=653580"/>

I didn't say that at all how did you get that out of what i said? she didn't ask questions first just like you didn't now she didn't get paid and you are out on your butt also. Why should I pay it wasn't my car. What's that teaching her. If she did the job out of love then no money should be ask for I only do things I get paid for. I don't do anything if I don't get anything in return. How's that for my time is worthless.