the san gaban treasure

[lilorphanannie]

san gaban (gavan,orginal spelling) was located in the san gaban district,and on the san gaban river. the san gaban district was one of if not the richest gold producing areas of what is now peru ,from 1533 until 1850. records show annual production from this area was @ 1100 pounds , one half metric ton per year. records also show that the conductas to the coast were once every 10 to 12 years, with shipments usually averaging @ 20 tons. san gaban was assigned as the royal treasury and depository for the gold until enough was accumulated for shipment. san gaban was attacked by the "conchos" a local indigenous tribe, and everyone in the town was massacared and the town destroyed. the orginal village lies consealed among tree covered ruins. the attack was well documented and the dates are on record. it is believed that the gold in the depository is still there. estimates range from 2 to 5 tons. ///there is quite a bit of info available that suggest that there is a higher than usual probability that a significant treasure still exists there. the locals who now live in the area know nothing of the treasure story ,but being in close contact with their natural surroundings ,there is a likelyhood that some could be aware of ruins along the riverbank. one drawback to the search is the valley was recently damned to make a reservoir and hydroelectric plant, at one part on the river. it remains to be seen if san gaban is now underwater or at some other location along the river's course.

 

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[Crow]

Hello lilorphanannie

Thanks for the very interesting post.

I never heard of the story of lost mining settlement San Gaban. But I am not suprised even today there is oposition to mining and hydroelectricity development in region. I spent some time in the area in the late 99. I know the areas around Juliaca and Puno fairly well. As far as I am aware there was couple of goldmines in pipeline for that area. A big mining proposal was put forward in around 2009. But I do not know if it has a gone ahead. There was miniable tin reserves in region also.

One old mine dating back to about 1896 Santo domingo mine prouced 20 kilo of gold per ton was recorded in vien with sheets of slate. All the tributaries around the San Gaban river are known to be gold bearing. In 1860 a Peruvian geologist at the time made a search of the area.

Thanks again for the interesting story.

Crow

 

[lilorphanannie]

hi crow ,wow! small world. i was there in the 80's. trying to dredge. it was trying times in terms of security. but it went well. the river i worked in was the huari huari. extremely rich paystreaks. well ,in my down time i did a lot of research. which im now trying to organize, my notebooks, and came across this ,so i thought i'll post it for others to read. i mostly lived and worked in colombia and mexico(now) but i have quite a bit of data like this on peru and bolivia also. thanks for the response.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

G'vening my good friend, Annie, an excellent post. Join el Crow and I for coffee and tons of yaking ?

Err Don Crow, you posted --> about 1896 Santo domingo mine prouced 20 kilo of gold per ton Shesh, that is almost $1,000,000 a ton. Go get it ! Raus de la hammock on Mag Island.

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[Crow]

Hello Don Jose

The Santo Domingo mine was a reef mine that was very rich but soon worked out. Most of the very rich reef mines have been worked out but there is a mineable amount of gold in the surrounding rock under todays gold prices.

Hello lilorphanannie

There was an aplication in 2008 for an alluvial mine dredging operation on the lower portion of the San Garban river as much gold washes down the head waters of the San Garban and tributaries. The company is based in lima and is a small mining company that has offered shares in 30% of the company.They have been trying raise 7 million dollars. Part of the busiess plan was to buy specialist equipment from Alaska and united States and modify it for Peruvian conditions, plus 1 million to be placed into local employment projects in the region of operations, I do no know if the operation got up and running.

Anyway Don Jose that hammock looks too nice and comfortable to turn down. Besides I need a rest before Hardluck blows in about 2 months. Everything runs on Island time around here and I think I hear my beach bar calling. Join me?


Crow

 

[Interested Party in UK]

Hello lilorphanannie

Your knowledge, experience and skills are very admirable and extensive when it comes to all things gold and glittery.

I (and am sure many others) wish that you continue giving us the benefit of what you have seen and taken part in during your travels. Better still, perhaps some day you may desire to write a book about it all......(It makes a refreshing change to read about an author who has actually done field work about what they are writing about).

Going off topic, please could i ask you what your views - if any - you have regarding the "Sacambaya" or "Cuenca" story are?

Many thanks for your time.

 

[Crow]

Hello all

Here is a newspaper clipping dated 28th august 1896. One nugget alone was found in the general region was 25 pounds.



Another story in another newspaper dated 1915 telling of a very rich goldfield discovered near the Peruvian Bolivian Border




In 1868 an Peruvian mining engineer explored the region and perhaps found old and new mine workings of Spanish and Jesuits all along the Eastern slope of the Andes? The natives was mining with primitive techniques but was still recovering gold.



Anyway I would not surprise me if the region still has a few secrets still to discover...

Crow

 

[Interested Party in UK]

Thank you Crow.

Traditionally, Bolivia has been overlooked when compared to other countries in the region.

Those Spaniards and Jesuits weren't half blessed with resourcefulness when it came to exploring and mining.

 

[Crow]

Its my pleasure.

But the thanks shoud go to liliorphanannie for starting such a topic. It almost got me itching to go to Peru and Bolivia again. Err... Okay Don Jose if I can ever pull my self away from beach shack.

Crow.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Personally I like Orphan Annie and his posts, even if we disagree at times on Tayopa. join mi in Crows' tropical den of iniquity ? I understand that he keeps it well stocked with lovely Island wenchs, courtesy of Kananka.

SO postaway mi compadre Orphan Annie---- Please?

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[Interested Party in UK]

I truly feel privileged to be in a position to read about such areas of interest from folks that have actually been there, seen it and done it. In today's world of shrinking mystery and fast-moving globalisation, it's truly fascinating that commenters on this website, are the real deal in so many respects. So many people feel that it is too "dreamy" or rather "suspect" or even "questionable" to have an interest in treasure - be it historical, cultural or artistic - and that those that do so, are looking for a release from daily drudgery and an escape shute from reality. But perhaps this is an European perspective in many ways due to the way of life here. Highly and complex governed, and not vast areas to explore with "true" aspects such as the States and central/Southern America (even in this day and age).

To simply pack-up some supplies and belongings and take to the mountains or deserts......WOW!!!
Some spirit of adventure, exploration and the unknown that is simply hard to get and fathom here in the UK and Europe in general.

But for some of us, reading a book in childhood, seeing a documentary, looking at a display in a museum, it is something that awakened a true sense of wonder and excitement as we go through life's trials and tribulations. And no matter of hard reality and the wariness of work, career - even family responsibility, will take that desire away.
Not many will ever be in a position to say that they truly worked on something that gave them an immeasurable amount of pride and delight before they were done.

Mr La Mancha,

If you truly have found THE Tayopa, then I truly salute you and hope that you get the benefits of your travails. Here's waiting for some images of what will be discovered in those areas you now own....

May I ask you if you can shed some ideas of what think of the "El Naranjal" legend??

 

[Furness]

I'm sure Jose will post about El Naranjal and orphan Annie, i'll also post later, I've been researching this for over 2 years including writing to the Archives in Seville since Oro bought up this legend in the Tayopa thread including posts and information from Annie, in the mean time you could look in there it has its own thread,

José Amigo, house sold will be moving to Puebla sometime in September :>)

John,

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

HOLA IP in UK> Yes I have it titled, 2500 hectares. Rather than disrupting this very interestng

thread, I suggest that you go to -->http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/tayopa/

Once there I will answer any questions that you may wish to ask.

But be forwarned, you will spend several hours in there if you read all of the postings, both pro & con. and look at the pictures.

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Furness mi amigo, Bien venido a ole sunny Mexico. Welcome Back.

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[Interested Party in UK]

Many thanks to you Furness.

Have you been researching "EL Naranjal" for two years?

I have looked up the other threads on this story and there is some really interesting info and details there - much more than can be garnered on the Net in general.

 

[Furness]

Many thanks to you Furness.

Have you been researching "EL Naranjal" for two years?

I have looked up the other threads on this story and there is some really interesting info and details there - much more than can be garnered on the Net in general.

Hello IP welcome to the mad house, yes actually longer than 2 years on and off, with the odd excursion into other lost mines in Mexico, Orphan annie also supplied me with information, especially about the Don who owned the Haciendas the mine and others was reputed to be on, whilst Jose may have another location where he believes it is, i'm fairly certain that what I have learnt leads to the one in the stories, to many stories tieing it in to the geography and other things I have learnt, plus the stuff from the archives in Seville, but only boots on the ground will prove it one way or another,

John,

 

[Interested Party in UK]

HOLA IP in UK> Yes I have it titled, 2500 hectares. Rather than disrupting this very interestng

thread, I suggest that you go to -->Tayopa

Once there I will answer any questions that you may wish to ask.

But be forwarned, you will spend several hours in there if you read all of the postings, both pro & con. and look at the pictures.

Don Jose de La Mancha

Hello to you Mr La Mancha

What a feeling that must be; having the deeds to a true and legendary site such as Tayopa. I sincerely hope that you get the necessary assurances needed to open the site to your and your crew's satisfaction.

Thank you for the link - I have slowly but surely been through most of the threads therein before, and that is what piqued my curiosity into this story. To think of such a wonderful place that may still lie hidden to the world and contain such fascinating wonders...well, you gets me drift.

The photos that you have kindly shared with the TN community are something else - only people of a disciplined, rugged, determined, solid and positive nature ought to apply I would say. But I would also venture to say that you being there is proof in itself that, when required, some most definately rise to meet the challenge.

I will again look through the Tayopa threads and when I come across something that I would like to ask you further about, I'll post a message and look forward to hearing from you.

Thank you for you time and knowledge.

 

[Furness]

Gracias Jose, I may well have that coffee with you on your porch in the not to distant future,

I tried to send you a PM but it failed as it had other links in, will send another (nothing to do with this subject),

John

 

[Interested Party in UK]

Hello IP welcome to the mad house, yes actually longer than 2 years on and off, with the odd excursion into other lost mines in Mexico, Orphan annie also supplied me with information, especially about the Don who owned the Haciendas the mine and others was reputed to be on, whilst Jose may have another location where he believes it is, i'm fairly certain that what I have learnt leads to the one in the stories, to many stories tieing it in to the geography and other things I have learnt, plus the stuff from the archives in Seville, but only boots on the ground will prove it one way or another,

John,

Morning John,

Talk about a quick response!

Orphan Annie really is a walking encyclopedia on such matters, and it is a sign of the person that he willingly shares his vast knowledge with the rest of us, who are newbies to the game.

You are most definately someone who is not an amateur and takes it all very professionally, and because of that, I hope you are successful in your endeavours.

Good Luck and keep us all posted!

 

[Furness]

Morning IP

no I'm strictly an amateur compared to Jose and Oro plus many others on here, but I have done a lot of research in other fields over the years, so I am able to discard any clue that doesn't fit however good it may look on the surface,
and also look at where the stories and clues differ or fit together as a part of the idea, and then try to work out why,
plus I do get distracted by beautiful Latin woman who write to me, :>)

John