The Treasure of Captain William Kidd.

So why does the Key chart mention "Wood", and "20 Turtles"?..
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Some have speculated that 20 Turtles is some kind of secret code, or that it means to "Turn Turtle" or flip the chart upside-down. In the literature from the era, sailing ships required lots of wood, water, and food. So whenever they stopped at a port or island, they had to resupply these important provisions. I think that "wood" and "20 Turtles" was written by Kidd as a shopping list and as a reminder that these items were readily available on the island.
 
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Very interesting thread, I stumbled across by web search. I have been studying the so-called Palmer-Kidd charts/maps (I prefer to call them maps than nautical charts) for many years and am writing a lengthy article for a journal. Some of my observations:

1. The Palmer-Kidd maps are almost certainly not what they purport to be, at least one (Hardy Chest) is a proven hoax. If you research the provenance of this map you cannot trace it beyond Arthur Hill Cutler (1930s), an antique seller who sold the Hardy Chest (with a map in its false bottom) to Hubert Palmer, a solicitor and collector of pirate artefacts. The Hardy Chest came with a pedigree note stating that the chest came from the "late Miss Pamela Hardy, great-niece of Captain T. Masterman Hardy", who bought it from by Ned Ward, one of Kidd's shipmates. According to this story, after T. Masterman Hardy died it was bequeathed by him to his brother John Hardy, whose great-grand-daughter was Pamela Hardy. The problem is - Pamela Hardy was not a real person. This provenance of the Morgan chest/map was entirely fabricated and this has long been known if you do some research. No records of Pamela Hardy exist. She was rumoured (by Harold T. Wilkins) to have died in Spain, but there are no death records and John Hardy was a childless bachelor (he had no daughter). Another major hole in the pedigree is John Hardy died before T. Masterman Hardy, so it was not possible for him to have even been bequeathed the Hardy Chest.

2. Pamela Hardy's name appears on dubious pedigree notices for objects said to have been owned by Lord Nelson. Many of these were apparently sold by Cutler and were acquired by Palmer. If you search for certain Lord Nelson objects, you find Pamela Hardy's name mentioned in auctions with similar pedigree notices but these are without doubt fabrications and the provenance was made up (none of the Nelson objects with Pamela Hardy's name attached are traceable to having once been is his or his family's possession.) There are numerous sources that discuss these objects not being not authentic (I have quoted a few below). Interestingly, some of these dubious objects found their way into museums but are now recognised as not being remotely genuine e.g., a toy coach and horses (Royal Museums Greenwich) said to have been owned by Nelson's daughter:

Model coach and two horses in metal plate, painted with a driver and passenger. A mechanism makes the horses bob up and down when the toy is pulled along. It reputedly belonged to Nelson's daughter Horatia but it has a very dubious provenance.

Swords for Sea Service Volume 1
By National Maritime Museum (Great Britain), William Edward May, P. G. W. Annis (1970)

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I don't yet own The Authentic Nelson (2005) but this book has information on page 87:

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There is also a (deleted for rule violation) on a forum dedicated to Nelson:

The name Pamela Hardy jogged my memory and reminded me about where I had come across this information. It's in 'The Authentic Nelson' by Rina Prentice. Miss Hardy's name appears on numerous documents guaranteeing the authenticity of a huge number of items which had been purportedly bequeathed to her by her great grandfather, John Hardy, brother of the Admiral. John Hardy, however, died unmarried, and left all his property to his sisters. The 'Captain Kidd' chest mentioned above is one of the items with the false Pamela Hardy provenance.

3. According to Wilkins, Hubert Palmer also acquired another map from Arthur Hill Cutler, inside the Morgan Chest. Although the provenance of this chest is not proven to be a fabrication like the Hardy Chest, the evidence certainly suggests this object has a fake pedigree. According to Cutler, the Morgan Chest was given to him by a man named Dan Morgan, who claimed descent from Sir Henry Morgan, the lieutenant governor of Jamaica. Palmer received the chest from Cutler (Howlett, however, states Morgan directly sold it to Palmer, see below). Dan Morgan is not the same individual as the American revolutionary war general of the same name who was related to Henry Morgan. There is scant evidence of the 20th century Dan Morgan having existed, although according to Wilkins he knew him personally and quoted a letter from him in his book Captain Kidd and his Skeleton Island (I have seen a photograph claimed to be Dan Morgan but it is by no means definitely him). However, even if a real individual, his claimed descent from Sir Henry Morgan is almost certainly a fabrication. There are no genealogical records showing this and the story of how he came across the Morgan Chest is hardly credible. If you search for sources about Dan Morgan, you suspiciously find little to nothing aside from Wilkin's books; later literature primarily quotes or relies on Wilkins.

4. Further, according to Wilkins, Hubert Palmer obtained a third map from Arthur Hill Cutler. This map was not inside a chest but a bureau. Wilkins provides very little information but the story goes, the bureau came from a "Mr. R" from London. Palmer had either discovered the map in the presence of Cutler (in his antique shop), or according to Howlett (see below) with his brother at home. There is no way to verify if this chest actually came from London and Cutler did not provide the actual name of the seller (only his first initial). The map which was found in the bureau is initialled "W.K. [William Kidd] 1669" with the name "Sarah" underneath. The problem with this date, is Sarah Bradley would not have used Kidd's name until they were married (~20 years later). This inconsistency points to map being a fake, and this is suggested as well by a forensic report (see below).

5. According to Wilkins, yet another (fourth) map came from Cutler who told Palmer he came into possession of a workbox (with a secret compartment); this map has been described as the "Skeleton Map" or "Key Chart". Little information is provided how Cutler obtained it, aside from the vague mention of an "old naval man". An analysis of the writing on the map by experts (see below) suggests with high probability this map is another fake.

6. There is a disagreement about the dates of when Hubert Palmer first saw or purchased the aforementioned four antiques (Hardy Chest, Morgan Chest, bureau and workbox) from Cutler, and secondly, who exactly discovered the maps inside them. According to Wilkins who had met with Palmer and corresponded with him directly by letters, Palmer had purchased three of these objects knowing the maps had already been found in them by previous owners (this version states Palmer himself found the secret map in the bureau in the presence of Cutler). In contrast, Anthony Howlett (author of the book "The Mystery of Captain Kidd's Treasure" in World Wide Magazine, 1958) who corresponded with Elizabeth Dick (Palmer's housekeeper), shortly after Palmer died, stated that it was Palmer who discovered all of the maps. Wilkins and Howlett also disagreed on the dates of when Palmer purchased the two chests, bureau and workbox. These differences are outlined by G. J. Bath in his book 1. The Maps: In Search of Skeleton Island. Bath prefers Wilkin's version of events while George Edmunds (Kidd: The Search for his Treasure, 1996), Howlett's. Who is correct? Bath quotes private letters Palmer had sent Wilkins seemingly confirming Wilkin's version of events (how Palmer came into possession of the maps). Howlett's version is wildly inaccurate and even contradicts Palmer's own writings about how he acquired these objects and maps. That said, there are a few mistakes in Wilkin's accounts.

7. Much misinformation has been written online about experts confirming the authenticity of the maps. Part of this stems from (a) confusing the dating of the chests, bureau and workbox with the maps and (b) the writing on the maps with the date of the parchments. All the antiques undoubtedly pre-date the 20th century; various sources estimate late 17th to mid-18th century, when Captain Kidd was alive or within about half-a-century of his death (they were not made in the 20th century so were not recent when Palmer came across or purchased them), however, that does not mean the maps are that old (or the engravings on these objects such as an engraving on the bureau are 17th or 18th century). In 1951, one of the maps - from the bureau was forensically investigated by Home Office Forensic Science Laboratory; Bath and Edmunds both quote the outcome of the forensic report which concluded the cardinal points on the map "was not in use on maps for many years after the death of Captain Kidd" and that the ink used on the parchment was likely "produced about two hundred years after Kidd was hanged". Combined with other evidence, this report concluded the map being "a comparatively recent production on what might very well be an old sheet of parchment". Indeed, it is possible that the parchments are themselves old (17th century) but the ink or drawings on them are not as the forensic report concluded. You can see the cardinal point (compass star) on the bureau map:

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8. It has been claimed R. A. Skelton, Head of the Map Room at the British Museum in the late 1940s confirmed the Kidd-Palmer maps are authentic. This is incorrect; as noted by an expert, Peter Barber (from the Map Library, British Library) in 2008:

According to a letter written by R.A. Skelton, the Head of the Map Room at the British Museum, in 1959 recalling events of 10 years previously (no copy survives of his original letter), one of the maps was brought in for inspection either by Mr Palmer or by his housekeeper. Skelton's language was extremely guarded and he commented only that the chart had been "drawn on the back of a perfectly genuine will of the late 17th century. The chart itself contained little evidence of the precise locality represented, although . . .it appeared to be somewhere in the China Sea. While the chart contained no features which would forbid us to suppose that it was drawn in the early 18th century, it had also nothing to associate it, so far as I could see, with Captain Kidd".
Skelton only ever examined one of the maps, and concluded the parchment was late 17th century, not the ink or drawing.
Furthermore, Barber points out that the "cabinets" (i.e., the two chests and bureau) date to the mid-eighteenth century:

The maps themselves, however, are dated 1669 (a period about which nothing is known of Kidd's career) and subsequent research has revealed that the cabinets in which Palmer claimed to have found the charts dated from the mid-eighteenth century and so could have had nothing to do with the Captain.
However, some sources date the bureau slightly earlier but the workbox apparently dates to the late 17th century. The antiques themselves are therefore a mix of late 17th to mid-18th century origin, while the parchments (the maps were drawn on) late 17th century. This is not surprising since as a hoax - the maps would not convince anyone if furniture/parchments appeared modern. Someone took old parchments but had used much more recent ink and drawing styles to make the maps. Barber is quoted by Bath as having personally seen the Skeleton Map and easily determined it was modern (20th century):
...a twentieth century artifact can be seen by the hand it is written.

9. The question remains who was behind the hoax? Edmunds believes Wilkins made the fake maps but I think he is mistaken. The evidence instead points to Arthur Hill Cutler as the hoaxer who was the source for all four Kidd-Palmer maps and we know he definitely made up a false pedigree for the Hardy Chest. Secondly, Cutler sold many other antiques of dubious pedigree and provenance; his shop contained for example, many fake objects said to have been owned by Lord Nelson which were not and whose authenticity was widespread questioned. All that said, Edmunds should be applauded for both his books and diligent research. He also deserves credit for changing in mind in light of the overwhelming evidence the maps are hoaxes.

10. Is there a mystery left to solve? Arguably, yes. Despite the maps are not what they purport to be (Captain Kidd never drew or owned them), I think is is very likely the hoaxer (Cutler) buried a treasure in the late 1920s (possibly genuine pirate antiques in his collection) and provided clues on these maps that point to a real location. I am working on an article which will attempt to identify the spot. I also think Cutler provided both obvious and subtle hints these maps have a fake pedigree. For example, Ned Ward in the pedigree of the Hardy Chest is a nod to the late 17th century humourist and satirist of the same name.
 
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Very interesting thread, I stumbled across by web search. I have been studying the so-called Palmer-Kidd charts/maps (I prefer to call them maps than nautical charts) for many years and am writing a lengthy article for a journal. Some of my observations:

1. The Palmer-Kidd maps are almost certainly not what they purport to be, at least one (Hardy Chest) is a proven hoax. If you research the provenance of this map you cannot trace it beyond Arthur Hill Cutler (1930s), an antique seller who sold the Hardy Chest (with a map in its false bottom) to Hubert Palmer, a solicitor and collector of pirate artefacts. The Hardy Chest came with a pedigree note stating that the chest came from the "late Miss Pamela Hardy, great-niece of Captain T. Masterman Hardy", who bought it from by Ned Ward, one of Kidd's shipmates. According to this story, after T. Masterman Hardy died it was bequeathed by him to his brother John Hardy, whose great-grand-daughter was Pamela Hardy. The problem is - Pamela Hardy was not a real person. This provenance of the Morgan chest/map was entirely fabricated and this has long been known if you do some research. No records of Pamela Hardy exist. She was rumoured (by Harold T. Wilkins) to have died in Spain, but there are no death records and John Hardy was a childless bachelor (he had no daughter). Another major hole in the pedigree is John Hardy died before T. Masterman Hardy, so it was not possible for him to have even been bequeathed the Hardy Chest.

2. Pamela Hardy's name appears on dubious pedigree notices for objects said to have been owned by Lord Nelson. Many of these were apparently sold by Cutler and were acquired by Palmer. If you search for certain Lord Nelson objects, you find Pamela Hardy's name mentioned in auctions with similar pedigree notices but these are without doubt fabrications and the provenance was made up (none of the Nelson objects with Pamela Hardy's name attached are traceable to having once been is his or his family's possession.) There are numerous sources that discuss these objects not being not authentic (I have quoted a few below). Interestingly, some of these dubious objects found their way into museums but are now recognised as not being remotely genuine e.g., a toy coach and horses (Royal Museums Greenwich) said to have been owned by Nelson's daughter:



Swords for Sea Service Volume 1
By National Maritime Museum (Great Britain), William Edward May, P. G. W. Annis (1970)

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I don't yet own The Authentic Nelson (2005) but this book has information on page 87:

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There is also a (deleted for rule violation) on a forum dedicated to Nelson:



3. According to Wilkins, Hubert Palmer also acquired another map from Arthur Hill Cutler, inside the Morgan Chest. Although the provenance of this chest is not proven to be a fabrication like the Hardy Chest, the evidence certainly suggests this object has a fake pedigree. According to Cutler, the Morgan Chest was given to him by a man named Dan Morgan, who claimed descent from Sir Henry Morgan, the lieutenant governor of Jamaica. Palmer received the chest from Cutler (Howlett, however, states Morgan directly sold it to Palmer, see below). Dan Morgan is not the same individual as the American revolutionary war general of the same name who was related to Henry Morgan. There is scant evidence of the 20th century Dan Morgan having existed, although according to Wilkins he knew him personally and quoted a letter from him in his book Captain Kidd and his Skeleton Island (I have seen a photograph claimed to be Dan Morgan but it is by no means definitely him). However, even if a real individual, his claimed descent from Sir Henry Morgan is almost certainly a fabrication. There are no genealogical records showing this and the story of how he came across the Morgan Chest is hardly credible. If you search for sources about Dan Morgan, you suspiciously find little to nothing aside from Wilkin's books; later literature primarily quotes or relies on Wilkins.

4. Further, according to Wilkins, Hubert Palmer obtained a third map from Arthur Hill Cutler. This map was not inside a chest but a bureau. Wilkins provides very little information but the story goes, the bureau came from a "Mr. R" from London. Palmer had either discovered the map in the presence of Cutler (in his antique shop), or according to Howlett (see below) with his brother at home. There is no way to verify if this chest actually came from London and Cutler did not provide the actual name of the seller (only his first initial). The map which was found in the bureau is initialled "W.K. [William Kidd] 1669" with the name "Sarah" underneath. The problem with this date, is Sarah Bradley would not have used Kidd's name until they were married (~20 years later). This inconsistency points to map being a fake, and this is suggested as well by a forensic report (see below).

5. According to Wilkins, yet another (fourth) map came from Cutler who told Palmer he came into possession of a workbox (with a secret compartment); this map has been described as the "Skeleton Map" or "Key Chart". Little information is provided how Cutler obtained it, aside from the vague mention of an "old naval man". An analysis of the writing on the map by experts (see below) suggests with high probability this map is another fake.

6. There is a disagreement about the dates of when Hubert Palmer first saw or purchased the aforementioned four antiques (Hardy Chest, Morgan Chest, bureau and workbox) from Cutler, and secondly, who exactly discovered the maps inside them. According to Wilkins who had met with Palmer and corresponded with him directly by letters, Palmer had purchased three of these objects knowing the maps had already been found in them by previous owners (this version states Palmer himself found the secret map in the bureau in the presence of Cutler). In contrast, Anthony Howlett (author of the book "The Mystery of Captain Kidd's Treasure" in World Wide Magazine, 1958) who corresponded with Elizabeth Dick (Palmer's housekeeper), shortly after Palmer died, stated that it was Palmer who discovered all of the maps. Wilkins and Howlett also disagreed on the dates of when Palmer purchased the two chests, bureau and workbox. These differences are outlined by G. J. Bath in his book 1. The Maps: In Search of Skeleton Island. Bath prefers Wilkin's version of events while George Edmunds (Kidd: The Search for his Treasure, 1996), Howlett's. Who is correct? Bath quotes private letters Palmer had sent Wilkins seemingly confirming Wilkin's version of events (how Palmer came into possession of the maps). Howlett's version is wildly inaccurate and even contradicts Palmer's own writings about how he acquired these objects and maps. That said, there are a few mistakes in Wilkin's accounts.

7. Much misinformation has been written online about experts confirming the authenticity of the maps. Part of this stems from (a) confusing the dating of the chests, bureau and workbox with the maps and (b) the writing on the maps with the date of the parchments. All the antiques undoubtedly pre-date the 20th century; various sources estimate late 17th to mid-18th century, when Captain Kidd was alive or within about half-a-century of his death (they were not made in the 20th century so were not recent when Palmer came across or purchased them), however, that does not mean the maps are that old (or the engravings on these objects such as an engraving on the bureau are 17th or 18th century). In 1951, one of the maps - from the bureau was forensically investigated by Home Office Forensic Science Laboratory; Bath and Edmunds both quote the outcome of the forensic report which concluded the cardinal points on the map "was not in use on maps for many years after the death of Captain Kidd" and that the ink used on the parchment was likely "produced about two hundred years after Kidd was hanged". Combined with other evidence, this report concluded the map being "a comparatively recent production on what might very well be an old sheet of parchment". Indeed, it is possible that the parchments are themselves old (17th century) but the ink or drawings on them are not as the forensic report concluded. You can see the cardinal point (compass star) on the bureau map:

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8. It has been claimed R. A. Skelton, Head of the Map Room at the British Museum in the late 1940s confirmed the Kidd-Palmer maps are authentic. This is incorrect; as noted by an expert, Peter Barber (from the Map Library, British Library) in 2008:


Skelton only ever examined one of the maps, and concluded the parchment was late 17th century, not the ink or drawing.
Furthermore, Barber points out that the "cabinets" (i.e., the two chests and bureau) date to the mid-eighteenth century:


However, some sources date the bureau slightly earlier but the workbox apparently dates to the late 17th century. The antiques themselves are therefore a mix of late 17th to mid-18th century origin, while the parchments (the maps were drawn on) late 17th century. This is not surprising since as a hoax - the maps would not convince anyone if furniture/parchments appeared modern. Someone took old parchments but had used much more recent ink and drawing styles to make the maps. Barber is quoted by Bath as having personally seen the Skeleton Map and easily determined it was modern (20th century):


9. The question remains who was behind the hoax? Edmunds believes Wilkins made the fake maps but I think he is mistaken. The evidence instead points to Arthur Hill Cutler as the hoaxer who was the source for all four Kidd-Palmer maps and we know he definitely made up a false pedigree for the Hardy Chest. Secondly, Cutler sold many other antiques of dubious pedigree and provenance; his shop contained for example, many fake objects said to have been owned by Lord Nelson which were not and whose authenticity was widespread questioned. All that said, Edmunds should be applauded for both his books and diligent research. He also deserves credit for changing in mind in light of the overwhelming evidence the maps are hoaxes.

10. Is there a mystery left to solve? Arguably, yes. Despite the maps are not what they purport to be (Captain Kidd never drew or owned them), I think is is very likely the hoaxer (Cutler) buried a treasure in the late 1920s (possibly genuine pirate antiques in his collection) and provided clues on these maps that point to a real location. I am working on an article which will attempt to identify the spot. I also think Cutler provided both obvious and subtle hints these maps have a fake pedigree. For example, Ned Ward in the pedigree of the Hardy Chest is a nod to the late 17th century humourist and satirist of the same name.
Thanks for the compendium of the Palmer maps. I was waiting for a long time of someone coming to this forum and not just declaring that those maps are a hoax and we are to stupid to see that but actually reasoning the opinion. What an immense contribution!

Its is a long list it will take a while to study and verify. I have not made up my mind about the degree of authenticity or hoax of those charts. It always seemed to me an real island being behind those maps independently if the island had any treasure associated with Kidd. Treasure hunters to this day gather information but are reluctant to share that information often taking it with them to the next world. The information of those maps could be at least partly authentic even if the charts themself s are not.
 
So why does the Key chart mention "Wood", and "20 Turtles"?..
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Some have speculated that 20 Turtles is some kind of secret code, or that it means to "Turn Turtle" or flip the chart upside-down. In the literature from the era, sailing ships required lots of wood, water, and food. So whenever they stopped at a port or island, they had to resupply these important provisions. I think that "wood" and "20 Turtles" was written by Kidd as a shopping list and as a reminder that these items were readily available on the island.
It is the most detailed and in my opinion disproportionate part of the maps. 20 refers in all probability to the "20 feet" in the description below. It is the 'x' that marks the spot but using the number instead.

Wood would be some trees or other vegetation in contrast to the dry probably sandy and rocky landscape that dominates the rest of the island. Apart from "woods" above it referring to a small forest.

Turtles are just that - two beaches known for turtles landing ashore to lay their eggs at certain times in a year. An island known to pirates to supply them with a very important source of food as they have very few places in the world that are far enough from civilization giving them an undisturbed place for all kind of activities - smuggling (as in "Smugglers cove"), restocking food (turtles can be kept alive for quite a long time on board of a ship) and water (wood and woods are places to look for it). It also provides for a save anchorage to hide and doing repairs (wood is needed). And of course for all kind of social activities that are better to be done ashore (woman, duels, drinking and gambling) because of usually prohibited on board, And of course dividing the plunder with the possibility to hide one's own share in some spot on the island.
 
I am trying to get hold of copies of the following books/articles relevant to the so-called Kidd-Palmer maps. If anyone has them or access you can reply in this thread, send a private message or email me: oliveratlantis@gmail.com.

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1. It is not widely known that Harold T. Wilkins published an article on the Kidd-Palmer maps before he published his magnum opus Captain Kidd and His Skeleton Island: the Discovery of a Strange Secret Hidden for 266 Years (1935). He first mentioned the maps two years earlier in an article: "Captain Kidd's Treasure", The Passing Show May 6 (1933) v2 #59. Unfortunately, I have been unable to find this article to read online anywhere nor the magazine issue to buy on Ebay/Abebooks/Amazon, etc. A couple of The Passing Show issues have been scanned and uploaded to archive.org (e.g., here) but none are this same issue.

Contents of v2 #59 [it appears Wilkins' article is two pages (pp. 5-6)]:

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The article is briefly discussed in a footnote by Monaghan (1933).

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2. Wilkins published another article on the Kidd-Palmer maps in December 1936 in The Scottish Field. I do not know the article title and have been unable to find it online, however, the article does exist as confirmed by G. J. Bath. As can be seen in Bath's book, Wilkins showed one his own highly distorted versions of the Kidd-Palmer maps (the "Desert Island" map) in the article.

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3. Book reviews of Wilkins Captain Kidd and His Skeleton Island were published in 1935 in The Listener. Wilkins then responded to at least one these as can be seen in the snippets below (Google Books) dated 3 July 1935.

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On page 39:

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The reviewer may have also responded to Wilkins letter as a reply?

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I would be interested in reading Wilkins letter in response to these critical book reviews in full as well as the book review. As can be seen in the snippet above, Wilkins responded to a critical review. Does anyone have access to the full letter?

There was apparently an earlier review + reply and I would be interested in reading that as well.

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A review also appeared in The Literary Digest (22 May, 1937). I do not have the full article, only a snippet:

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Another review from The Saturday Evening Post (1939?). I only have a snippet:

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A detailed review appeared in Naval Review (London), vol. 23 (1935):

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I am especially interested in reading this review but have been unable to find it online aside from this snippet.
 
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You might be able to contact Pennsylvania State University that has in their library, Naval Review (London)., Volume 23
Contributor Naval Society, London Published 1935 to get the extract your after.

Also Newspapers and journals Creator "The Naval Review" (Publisher)
Production date 1913 Place made Titchfield, Fareham, Hampshire Catalogue number LBY E. 5 / 229 non have been digitized.

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