This a great forum for researching human nature.

[aarthrj3811]

Hey woof..I admit that I have skipped over a lot of this psycho-babble. I don’t remember any posts from Hal..In fact this whole tread seems to one big wopper after another...You mentioned Tayopa…the only one I know from there is “the Real Deal”..In case you have not noticed..Him and JudyH are having you guys for Breakfast..Art

 

[woof!]

Hey woof..I admit that I have skipped over a lot of this psycho-babble. I don’t remember any posts from Hal..In fact this whole tread seems to one big wopper after another..Art

Real, I ain't gonna refresh his memory, it's up to you. But no need, really.

--Toto

 

[EE THr]

woofie---

The man is a liar. Read the advertisement!

--Toto

To what "advertisement" are you referring?

 

[EE THr]

woofie---

(That guy from Tayopa sure knows how to throw an irrelevant post into a conversation just to see what it'll stir up, don't he?)

--Toto

It was actually very relevant.

I think you're simply trying to sneak in a drive-by invalidation.

What is your basis for calling the man a liar, anyway?

 

[woof!]

EE, if you want to know, the same evidence that's available to me is available to you. You can have the answer in 5 minutes if you want, or about 60 seconds if you're a quick reader and thinker.

If after 5 minutes you still haven't figured it out, probably time to just give up, you'll manage fine without it anyhow.

--Toto

 

[Carl-NC]

What psychology says---

Don't they "advertise" that their sole purpose is to study the mind, and use the results to help people?

I don't even know who "they" are, much less what "they" are advertising. I view psychology in a broad scientific sense; can't word it a whole lot better than Wiki, so I'll just blatantly plagiarize:

Psychology is the science of mind and behavior. Its immediate goal is to understand behavior and mental processes by researching and establishing both general principles and specific cases. For many practitioners, one goal of applied psychology is to benefit society.

The first sentence really says it all. The last sentence says that helping folks isn't "their sole purpose." Psychology is no different than any other area of science, where you have both theoretical science and applied science. And, as Toto said, you can find abuses in any science. Politics, too.

But just making the body walk and talk, is a psychic ability.

Most folks consider "psychic" to be "extrasensory." Ergo, walking and talking got nothing to do with psychic ability. If you'd like to apply a different definition, then I think we need to know that before going any further.

Toto, I gotta admit, this a great forum for researching human nature!

 

[EE THr]

woofenhouserstein---

Well, I can see that you are not one of those who are here to help add to the community knowledge, so you must only be here looking for fights.

But only those you think you can win, because you apparently don't take losing very well. Poor baby.

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I thought you were referring to an advertisement in the link, but that link doesn't pertain to the letter, so it can't be there.

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I have no idea what you are talking about, so I can't look it up. And, as usual, you never provide any references with your wild assertions.

With your level of non-credibility, which you have demonstrated so far, I doubt that there is anything to your claim.



So, I'll leave it at this, show some proof, or you're obviously just blowing smoke, as usual.

 

[woof!]

EE, the letter itself is the advertisement.

--Toto

 

[woof!]

psychic chickens?

But just making the body walk and talk, is a psychic ability.

A chicken with its head cut off can do a creditable job of running around for a bit, but the head no longer squawks.

An amoeba does a creditable job of slithering here and there, and it doesn't even have a nervous system or muscles. Last time I asked one if it was psychic, it refused to answer me. I really felt insulted.

--Toto

 

[EE THr]

Carl---

Ultimately, when the public deals with psychology, the person assumes that they are going to try to help him. Why do they assume that? Because of what they know about psychology. Where to they learn what they know about psychology? All sorts of places. But all that information, one way or another, comes from psychology itself. "They." Obviously.

I think you are dancing around to avoid the matter. I think you knew what I meant, and are merely being argumentative. I find it hard to believe, since it is referenced right above my statement, that you don't know who "they" refers to.

Whatever you have heard about psychology, has come from psychology. Get it yet? Take your time, think it over, maybe you will have an epiphany.

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Sure, I'd be happy to define what I mean. I'm not trying to invent a new definition for the dictionary, though.

If a person considers the soul to be real, then what are it's attributes? Obviously it is not empirical. It does not contain anything of the physical universe. It's not composed of matter or energy.

If a person further considers himself to be a soul, and not a body, that is he is a soul that uses a body (rather than is a body and "has" a soul), then how does he animate that body?

His method of animating the body could be termed psychic ability, in general. Although many different types of these abilities are currently differentiated; a person, a soul, has all of those. (And that's why science can observe the use of psychic abilities, but cannot explain what it is.)

 

[EE THr]

Re: psychic chickens?

Last time I asked one if it was psychic, it refused to answer me. I really felt insulted.

--Toto

You are probably one of those who would require a tinfoil hat to hear stuff like that, woofie.

 

[woof!]

Re: psychic chickens?

Last time I asked one if it was psychic, it refused to answer me. I really felt insulted.

--Toto

You are probably one of those who would require a tinfoil hat to hear stuff like that, woofie.

Don't need the tinfoil hat, I'm psychic.

--Toto

 

[EE THr]

woofie---

I knew that.

 

[EE THr]

woofie---

EE, the letter itself is the advertisement.

--Toto

So, you called the guy a liar twice. That's pretty strong. What do you back that up with?

 

[woof!]

His letter.

 

[EE THr]

woofie---

Oh, by "advertisement," do you mean the climate stuff at the bottom?

Like this Bing search? u.n. admits climate hoax


Just wondering....

 

[woof!]

no, that's your advertisement. I didn't bother to read it other than the title of the link. if climate change is something you want to carry on a conversation about, perhaps in a climate change forum you can find people who share that interest.

--Toto

 

[EE THr]

woofie---

I was going to say that to you, because that's what I thought you were talking about.


So, since you aren't explaining exactly what you are referring to, I guess the whole "liar" thing was meaning less, huh? An inside joke or something?

 

[Carl-NC]

Ultimately, when the public deals with psychology, the person assumes that they are going to try to help him. Why do they assume that? Because of what they know about psychology. Where to they learn what they know about psychology? All sorts of places. But all that information, one way or another, comes from psychology itself. "They." Obviously.

Appears to me that your view of psychology is that of couch-talking med-prescribing psychiatrists. That's too bad. Somewhere, there are folks doing real and genuine scientific research on brains and behaviors, and trying to figure out what makes things tick, and what makes em go haywire. Like it or not, that's what science is all about.

If a person considers the soul to be real, then what are it's attributes? Obviously it is not empirical. It does not contain anything of the physical universe. It's not composed of matter or energy.

1. Per Occam's Razor, why is a "soul" necessary? That is, can walking and talking (and maybe even dowsing) be explained without invoking this concept?

2. Assuming it is necessary, why is it obviously not empirical? Who says it could not be matter or energy?

His method of animating the body could be termed psychic ability, in general. Although many different types of these abilities are currently differentiated; a person, a soul, has all of those. (And that's why science can observe the use of psychic abilities, but cannot explain what it is.)

OK, I think your use of "psychic ability" is equivalent to "psychical ability," rather than the Miss Cleo type of psychic ability. In that case, yes, walking and talking -- and even dowsing -- is a mental ability. And now we've gone full circle, virtual plastic fork and all.

 

[woof!]

EE, if you've spent 5 minutes trying to spot Hal's lie in the letter that Real posted, and didn't find it, it's probably time to throw in the towel. The lie is in plain view, there is no inside secret, no PM's being bounced back and forth behind your back on the matter (at least none with me in the loop), and you don't even need to have the "inside dope" one way or the other on the climate change issue.

It's the same principle that to understand the fraudulent nature of LRL's as advertised by most manufacturers, you don't need to know much science, what you need is reading comprehension in reading the advertising, and reading comprehension won't happen without critical thinking.

--Toto