Todays find, button ID help!

[deanv63]

I found this button today,need help on Id.I no the pic,s are not the best, but I tryed. Thanks!

 

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[fyrffytr1]

Back up a few inches and give us another shot of the front. The back shots are in focus. All I can make out is an eagle facing left and two wing "joints" pointing up. What are the crossed things at the bootom?

 

[deanv63]

Hear r some new pic,s!

 

[fyrffytr1]

That's better. But, now I have no idea what it is. I couldn't find anything close to it in Albert's book. Hopefully someone else can tell both of us what it is.
Can you tell what the eagle is holding in it's talons?

 

[deanv63]

That's better. But, now I have no idea what it is. I couldn't find anything close to it in Albert's book. Hopefully someone else can tell both of us what it is.
Can you tell what the eagle is holding in it's talons?

it looks like crossed logs or cannons

 

[fyrffytr1]

I was sure someone would have chimed in on this by now. I have never seen one like it. Didn't you find a CS buckle? Was this button found at the same site? I wish someone could ID this.

 

[deanv63]

I was sure someone would have chimed in on this by now. I have never seen one like it. Didn't you find a CS buckle? Was this button found at the same site? I wish someone could ID this.

Yes it was found at the same site.

 

[TROY V]

I was sure someone would have chimed in on this by now. I have never seen one like it. Didn't you find a CS buckle? Was this button found at the same site? I wish someone could ID this.

Yes it was found at the same site.

dam nobody id this button yet

 

[hogge]

Appears to be a button cover. Either that or a broken 2-piece. It's not in Tices book.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

It not on Waterburys database. Can you tell us what is crossed on the bottom? Is it cannons, sabres, oars, ribbons or something else?

 

[kyphote]

Wow, I've had no luck in any of my books. This is gonna get good...

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Is it a 3 piece button? The eagle is similar to pre CW Navy, but no stars.

 

[mainer]

I thought it looked a little similar to the ordinance buttons in tice's book page 152. The first 3 buttons on the page, but they are 1 piece and a little early compared to this one. Will be staying tuned.

 

[fyrffytr1]

It not on Waterburys database. Can you tell us what is crossed on the bottom? Is it cannons, sabres, oars, ribbons or something else?

You missed his reply where he said it looked like Cannons or logs. I think they are cannons.

 

[kyphote]

I thought it looked a little similar to the ordinance buttons in tice's book page 152. The first 3 buttons on the page, but they are 1 piece and a little early compared to this one. Will be staying tuned.

Good catch, Mainer. It's definitely akin to the ordnance buttons on the top row, p. 152. Crossed canons. Not an exact match but right in the family. Still need a match, of course.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I thought it looked a little similar to the ordinance buttons in tice's book page 152. The first 3 buttons on the page, but they are 1 piece and a little early compared to this one. Will be staying tuned.

Good catch, Mainer. It's definitely akin to the ordnance buttons on the top row, p. 152. Crossed canons. Not an exact match but right in the family. Still need a match, of course.

any pics for those of us that dont have Tices book?

 

[kyphote]

I thought it looked a little similar to the ordinance buttons in tice's book page 152. The first 3 buttons on the page, but they are 1 piece and a little early compared to this one. Will be staying tuned.

Good catch, Mainer. It's definitely akin to the ordnance buttons on the top row, p. 152. Crossed canons. Not an exact match but right in the family. Still need a match, of course.

any pics for those of us that dont have Tices book?

Come to think of it, that would help.

 

[Bramblefind]

Not sure if this helps - but thought it was interesting:

http://minds.wisconsin.edu/bitstrea...02.pdf.txt;jsessionid=qrhzqjt5j6v0?sequence=3

Fall 2002 Volume II Number I
7
The button above, a gilted (gold plated) button from a 19th century Ordnance officers? uniform.
How do we know that? First, of all by knowing the context of where this button came from.This
button came from the Second Fort Crawford excavations. Knowing that the Army was stationed here, look at Army designs in books dealing with military insignia and military buttons.
To start researching, look at the design on the buttons.The cross cannons are usually a sign of the artillery division of the army, so we know to start looking there. However, the eagle on top of the
cross cannons is not common, and the ?O? around the outside face of the button indicates that the button is an Ordnance button. How do we know its an officers? button? Because it is gilted or gold plated.
How do we date the button?
The Ordnance Department was established in 1812. By 1815, the duties of the department was increased dramatically due to difficulties in supplying ordnance material during the War of 1812.With the reduction of the Army in 1821, this department was merged with the Artillery, although
it was recognized and preserved as a distinct entity. By 1832, the Ordnance Department was independent and fully restored to its earlier status.The earliest reference to buttons of the
Ordnance Department dates to 1816. The uniform of the Ordnance Department was to be the same as that of the artillery, except in buttons, ?which will have an appropriate device.? It is generally accepted that this refers to the ?eagle on crossed cannon? pattern especially since by 1836, the crossed cannons became the symbol of the Ordnance Department. Therefore, this button was issued
between 1816 and 1821. However, one must use caution when dealing with dates on military buttons - ?issued? dates and dates of actual use are usually very different. In the early 19th century, the military wanted to ?use up? excess stock before new was issued, so buttons were used sometimesmany years after their issue dates.
Historic Archaeological Resources:
Johnson, David F. 1948
Uniform Buttons,American Armed Forces 1784-1948.
Century House,Watkins Glen, New York.
Albert,Alphaeus H. 1969
Record of American Uniform and Historical Buttons.
Boyertown Publshing Company,
Boyertown, Pennsylvania.
Wyckoff, Martin A.1984
United States Military Buttons of the Land
Services 1787-1902.
McLean County Historical Society,
Bloomington, Illinois.
Non-military buttons may be dated also.
One reference to look at is:
Luscomb, Sally C. 1967
The Collector?s Encyclopedia of Buttons.
Crown Publishers, Inc. New York.