Two Heads One Dude

[River Walker]

I found these pts laying side by side in an immense cotton field about a quarter mile away from Tennesse River in Madison Co. Al. This site is very small with very little sign making me think a temporary campsite.I've always thought they were paleo although not sure. What do you guys think?.....anyway i am sure they were made by the same dude with the lack of any other flint nearby... they being almost exactly same size[3 inches] and the same workmanship.Even tips missing the same ....always wondered if :killed: that way or just stashed to be re-tipped later.

 

[Neogeo]

They are very much alike!I would bet the same guy owned those tools.Great find.great story.Congrats

 

[*Molly*]

Nice Woodland era spear points.

Molly.

 

[Th3rty7]

Without holding them in my hand it's tough to make a call. They look like late paleo lance points to me, especially the piece on the left that looks stemmed. jmho.

 

[River Walker]

I found this Dalton maybe 200 yards down the same shallow draw,but you cant tell if there was a creek there or not just in the middle of a huge cotton field no trees or anything no obvious reason to be camped there.

 

[Tnmountains]

Hard to say around that river especially when it was thousands of years ago. It has whipped and wound in many directions. Used to flood a lot more also before the impoundments put everything under water and doubled its size .
Nice finds. Do you find many Daltons in your area?

 

[River Walker]

Thank y'all very much for your response.I grew up in S.E.Huntsville AL. 2 miles north of Tennessee River I found most of my stuff from1960-80.I started walking cotton fields when i was 10 after finding my first pt. in my front yard before we planted grass. I searched from the Paint Rock to the east to the Elk to the west. This particular area is on a high plateau near Redstone Arsenal[this place is probably covered in houses now]not subject to flooding unlike the later period indians which were more right along the river evidenced by shell middens and such. When i wanted to look for old stuff i would walk the high ridges along river and spring fed swamps.
In answer to the question about finding Daltons i never found near as many as i wanted to if you know what i mean.
I would walk many miles a day to find just one.
W

hile we are on the subject of Daltons could you tell me if this is a form of one\

 

[Th3rty7]

Nice Daltons dude! One of those is worth the many miles walked. Looking foward to seeing more of your finds.

 

[brandywine]

Same maker IMO

 

[flintdigger]

The pice on the left look's like it might be Paleo, Those are nice Daltons.

 

[Tnmountains]

The area around Redstone to the river dates back as far as anything in the U.S. Paleo and up.
The bases seem sorta like a Big Sandy like Targe said but with Green briar qualities. Its time like these I wish I knew more. The first two shown as Thirty7 said seem to show a Paleo style in flaking.'
It seems this area got stuck in time for some reason and many Paleo technique's were carried forward even into the woodland times.The bi- facial knifes and turtle back scrapers and things like that were made into the contact with De Soto.Difference's being in flaking styles. I think that there was such a high number of Paleo people here they also found their points in latter times and were influenced by them. Its like they got cut off from the rest of the world with some valleys churning out the same point over and over again and nothing new and then poof ..they were gone.
When technology and trade did hit this area they exploded and were leaning towards large mounds some built like giant serpents and their Gods became Aztec like with sacrifices,mutilations and cannibalism. The South East is complicated to me.
You were lucky to hunt where you did and grow up there. The best sites are always pretty rock free and smooth on higher ground. They liked comfort when they could find it.
I hunt from above there North out into the Valleys towards the Cumberland Plateau but not to where Treefrog hunts. I have hunted the Elk and Duck river water sheds also.
HH
TnMtns

 

[Get-the-point]

For some strange reason that first piece looks to have a base of a Scottsbluff or a Stringtown blade?? The point is exhibiting medium ridge with collateral style percussion and pressure flaking. The lower part of the blade shows weak ears on both sides, one lower than the other. Is the base ground and if so it is possibly a Red River or Scottie Knife or a Stringtown blade.........That is my opinion. Does anyone else see this?? Nice finds!!!.........................To me this is strange as Scotties are not known to be found in Alabama ......................................GTP...........

 

[River Walker]

Here is another point from the same area, I never could pin it down as far as ID goes. I've always felt it is pretty old. Would the smoothness of the surface be from the wear of usage or a function of being in the soil for a long time?

 

[Airborne80]

Great finds and awesome post and reply's. Thanks for the education

 

[Tnmountains]

Morrow mtn maybe? It seems everything I try to id is a morrow mtn though. Maybe some experts will be able to help you. I am just a hunter not good at the i.d stuff.
The surface could be from it being a softer material than most cherts.

 

[yo6oej]

great find