Unknown unit crest need help!

[coinhound1983]

Need help ID'ing this unit crest . It's G-23 IRA green , I've found the red and blue variant but what is this?? Pls help ID so I can figure out what I have, thnx treasurenet!

 

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[Retired Sarge]

It's looks like the DUI for the 209th Field Artillery ARNG New York, but the color is wrong. Let me do some more checking!

Armed Forces Insignia - 209th Field Artillery ARNG New York Unit Crest Pin (No Motto) - ARMY CRESTS, DUI'S

 

[GaRebel1861]

It's looks like the DUI for the 209th Field Artillery ARNG New Yor, but the color is wrong. Let me do some more checking!

Armed Forces Insignia - 209th Field Artillery ARNG New York Unit Crest Pin (No Motto) - ARMY CRESTS, DUI'S

ffuries,

I figured if anyone would know, it would be you. Your knowledge of military items is very impressive.

 

[Retired Sarge]

ffuries,

I figured if anyone would know, it would be you. Your knowledge of military items is very impressive.

Thank you for the kind words GaRebel, now that my head has swollen, I'll have to stand outside for a while because both it and I can't fit in here together!

Variances in color could be due to old style versus new style or an attempt to subdue the colors somewhat

 

[coinhound1983]

Diff regiment same state, just infantry blue

 

[Retired Sarge]

Went through all the NY Guard unit insignias, no other matches!

NYARNG Distinctive Unit Insignias - NY Military Museum and Veterans Research Center

 

[coinhound1983]

So where do we stand with these colors. I mean it has the right hallmark. 8 yr vet 3 time OIF

 

[Retired Sarge]

So where do we stand with these colors. I mean it has the right hallmark. 8 yr vet 3 time OIF

Good question, you could try this site (Free to join), they might know more. I do know that after 23 years in the AF some of the units patches I've worn were different colors depending on what time frame it was issued. I've got one that has three different subdued versions, and 2 different un-subdued versions.

BTW coinhound thank you for your service!

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Added: I went ahead and made a posting over there with a link to this posting, so we should hear something back.

http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=154776

 

[coinhound1983]

Yea!! Thank you a bunch!! Btw I have about 800 of these crests ahhh... More than half have no unit name on the flash cards... If you like research and helping out, I'll post more of these unknown crests.. I have lots of screw backs with no name but nice raised hallmarks . You can go on bloodhoundtreasurehunter and check out my brother and I's eBay store and see what we got... Also lots of AF crests!! Ty for your service as well brother.

 

[Retired Sarge]

Well being retired all the way, I've got plenty of free time on my hands, send me an E-mail with some of them and I'll see what I can do!

 

[Retired Sarge]

Sent an E-mail to the New York State Military Museum on this DUI. I have exhausted the limits of my research on the internet and have come up blank. We will find an answer to this one, or I will go insane!

 

[Retired Sarge]

I narrowed it down a little bit more, it was made after May of 62. Ira Green was issued the G 23 hallmark from the Institute of Heraldry (IOH) on 28 May 1962. Let me keep digging and see what else I can come up with.

 

[coinhound1983]

Awesome, thanks a bunch.. I'll be awaiting your verdict. Can't believe I can't find this myself as wel.

 

[Gunrunner61]

Mike your knowledge is amazing.......ch1983, thanks to both of you for your service and sacrifice......

 

[coinhound1983]

Thank you gun runner, we couldn't have done it without the good taxpaying Americans. We salute you as well good sir..

 

[Retired Sarge]

Here's the response I received just a few minutes ago, below the E-mail I sent them. I will try a few other avenues and see what stones I might be able to turn over!

Name
Michael C. Bernhardt
Email
ffuries@comcast.net
Message

Question on 209th Field Artillery DUI, all I can find on the internet is the
one with the Red and Gold on the shield behind the Griffin. A friend has one
that is Blue and Gold on the shield. We are trying to find out if this is a
209th Field Artillery DUI, and if so from what time period. Any help is
greatly appreciated, here's a link to the DUI in question.

http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/what/311897-unknown-unit-crest-need-help.h

Bernhardt, Michael C.
TSgt, USAF Retired

Mr Bernhardt:

Your question regarding the 209th Field Artillery DUI was forwarded to me
through the Friends of the New York State Military Museum. Unfortunately,
after reviewing our files on the history of the 209th FA, I really have no
idea what unit the insignia with the blue and yellow is for.

As you may know, the 209th FA was organized in 1940 as a coast artillery
regiment from artillery and cavalry units in Buffalo and Rochester. The DUI
was officially authorized in 1941 with red representing the artillery units
and yellow the cavalry units. The griffon was added as a reference to the
coat of arms of the governor of New France and the ship of the 17th century
French explorer Rene-Robert Cavelier LaSalle that sailed the Great Lakes
north of Rochester and Buffalo. The original proposed design also included
a blue diagonal band separating the red and yellow fields in reference to
infantry units that comprised the unit, but was ultimately not used.

When the unit was reorganized late in the war and throughout the 1950s and
1960s, there was some disagreement about which elements received the lineage
and which were authorized to wear the dui. My only guess, and I could be
way off, is that this may be an unofficial dui of one of the units descended
from the 209th Coast Artillery.

Sorry I cannot be of more assistance. Please let me know if you come up
with anything--I'd be curious to know about this as well.
Courtney
-----------------------------------------
Courtney T. Burns
Chief Curator
New York State Military Museum
61 Lake Avenue
Saratoga Springs, New York 12866
518-581-5105 tel.
518-581-5111 fax
http://dmna.state.ny.us/historic/