πŸ₯‡ BANNER *UPDATE* Cleaned up nicely! Just dug one of the rarest New Jersey Contemporary counterfeits 1787 Maris 83-ii variety R7

HEAVYMETALNUT

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I located a small cellar hole not far from where I live. How I did not notice this years ago is beyond me? As with most cellars these days most are pounded out. As I walked up to it after a 15 min hike. I had doubts it was even a cellar hole. no well just a shallow depression with a small pile of more rounded rocks son the edge. turned my machine on and 1st target was a musket ball, nice I thought! 2nd target was a rat tail pewter spoon bowl. so this confirmed home site to me. I dug a couple fugio's and a shot CT copper a a few buttons and last target was a sweet silver luckenbooth brooch. I called it a day as it was getting late. I returned today started out with another musket ball. nabbed another copper which is a hibernia. then i dug a a button signal and out popped a clipped thin copper. didn't think much of it and put in in my case. When I got home and started cleaning my finds I saw a shield but it looked thinner and more narrow than your typical NJ copper. I sent a few messages to some colonial copper experts on facebook and got the good news. super rare only 10-12 known Maris 83-ii Rarity 7 which is amazing. boat loads rarer than my AMERI. reversed Chain cent. My coin is struck over a 1782 KG III Hibernia. You can clearly see the under type in the pics below.
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What a day!!!!!!!!!
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PIC BELOW SHOWS A KGIII HIBERNIA ON THE LEFT AND THE UNDERTYPE ON MY COIN ON THE RIGHT. YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE THE IA OF HIBERNIA AND THE NUMBER 2 IN THE DATE OF 1782.
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Wonderful, amazing coins, brooch and buckle! Must have been a fairly wealthy and well-travelled family who lived there in the 1700s. I like the coin cleaning and the jeweller's skillful work on the brooch and buckle. I think these finds are worthy of an award.
 

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Amazing relics you find up there in your area. I'm drooling. Just subscribed to your youtube channel. I can live through you. LOL.
I have a brother up in CT in the New Milford area. I'm always telling him to locate me an old property. Hasn't happened yet. I will have to do it myself next time I visit him. So many beautiful old properties up that way.
Congrats and thanks for the great post and pix.
-MM-
 

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Wonderful, amazing coins, brooch and buckle! Must have been a fairly wealthy and well-travelled family who lived there in the 1700s. I like the coin cleaning and the jeweller's skillful work on the brooch and buckle. I think these finds are worthy of an award.
thanks so much! yeah they were not poor for sure!
 

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I located a small cellar hole not far from where I live. How I did not notice this years ago is beyond me? As with most cellars these days most are pounded out. As I walked up to it after a 15 min hike. I had doubts it was even a cellar hole. no well just a shallow depression with a small pile of more rounded rocks son the edge. turned my machine on and 1st target was a musket ball, nice I thought! 2nd target was a rat tail pewter spoon bowl. so this confirmed home site to me. I dug a couple fugio's and a shot CT copper a a few buttons and last target was a sweet silver luckenbooth brooch. I called it a day as it was getting late. I returned today started out with another musket ball. nabbed another copper which is a hibernia. then i dug a a button signal and out popped a clipped thin copper. didn't think much of it and put in in my case. When I got home and started cleaning my finds I saw a shield but it looked thinner and more narrow than your typical NJ copper. I sent a few messages to some colonial copper experts on facebook and got the good news. super rare only 10-12 known Maris 83-ii Rarity 7 which is amazing. boat loads rarer than my AMERI. reversed Chain cent. My coin is struck over a 1782 KG III Hibernia. You can clearly see the under type in the pics below.
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PIC BELOW SHOWS A KGIII HIBERNIA ON THE LEFT AND THE UNDERTYPE ON MY COIN ON THE RIGHT. YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE THE IA OF HIBERNIA AND THE NUMBER 2 IN THE DATE OF 1782.
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Thanks Donnie!

I located a small cellar hole not far from where I live. How I did not notice this years ago is beyond me? As with most cellars these days most are pounded out. As I walked up to it after a 15 min hike. I had doubts it was even a cellar hole. no well just a shallow depression with a small pile of more rounded rocks son the edge. turned my machine on and 1st target was a musket ball, nice I thought! 2nd target was a rat tail pewter spoon bowl. so this confirmed home site to me. I dug a couple fugio's and a shot CT copper a a few buttons and last target was a sweet silver luckenbooth brooch. I called it a day as it was getting late. I returned today started out with another musket ball. nabbed another copper which is a hibernia. then i dug a a button signal and out popped a clipped thin copper. didn't think much of it and put in in my case. When I got home and started cleaning my finds I saw a shield but it looked thinner and more narrow than your typical NJ copper. I sent a few messages to some colonial copper experts on facebook and got the good news. super rare only 10-12 known Maris 83-ii Rarity 7 which is amazing. boat loads rarer than my AMERI. reversed Chain cent. My coin is struck over a 1782 KG III Hibernia. You can clearly see the under type in the pics below.
View attachment 2113510 View attachment 2113511 View attachment 2113512 View attachment 2113513 View attachment 2113514 View attachment 2113515 View attachment 2113516 What a day!!!!!!!!! View attachment 2113850 View attachment 2113851
PIC BELOW SHOWS A KGIII HIBERNIA ON THE LEFT AND THE UNDERTYPE ON MY COIN ON THE RIGHT. YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE THE IA OF HIBERNIA AND THE NUMBER 2 IN THE DATE OF 1782.
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I would just like to add that an R-7 New Jersey Copper is basically considered uncollectable by colonial collectors. The reason being that so few are available that a variety such as this would be missing from even the most advanced cabinets. Well done, Dave. This is a BANNER FIND if there ever was one.
 

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HeavyMetalNut,

As I said earlier, any New Jersey copper that is an R-7 and above is basically "uncollectable" because there are lots of collectors and very few known pieces. It is to be noted that one of the known pieces of this variety is permanently off the market in the collection of a museum. That further limits the known specimens available to collectors. This one will be missing from even the most advanced cabinets. It's mind boggling as to why this coin has not received a Banner. What are Banners for if ultra-rare coins are not recognized?
 

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HeavyMetalNut,

As I said earlier, any New Jersey copper that is an R-7 and above is basically "uncollectable" because there are lots of collectors and very few known pieces. It is to be noted that one of the known pieces of this variety is permanently off the market in the collection of a museum. That further limits the known specimens available to collectors. This one will be missing from even the most advanced cabinets. It's mind boggling as to why this coin has not received a Banner. What are Banners for if ultra-rare coins are not recognized?
Who Knows Donnie? not to take anything away from any banner winner but if a $30 1921 Morgan dollar or 5 ounces of modern sterling silver at a beach can make it maybe my $11,000 1787 New Jersey Counterfeit copper will make it one of these days?
 

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Donnie B from VA

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Who Knows Donnie? not to take anything away from any banner winner but if a $30 1921 Morgan dollar or 5 ounces of modern sterling silver at a beach can make it maybe my $11,000 1787 New Jersey Counterfeit copper will make it one of these days?
Obviously, the moderators have no clue as to how rare this coin is or it would have already had a Banner. That definitely says something about this site and the moderators. I'm actually surprised that TNet still exists to be honest. It's a dinosaur now with all of the Facebook groups.
 

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Facebook like Twitter is just a toilet wall of rubbish and conspiracy theories and has more junk that actual facts. A specialist forum like this will always be needed, that is why I joined. There are some telegram groups for antiques and metal detecting but they're not as engaging as a forum.

Lisa
 

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Facebook like Twitter is just a toilet wall of rubbish and conspiracy theories and has more junk that actual facts. A specialist forum like this will always be needed, that is why I joined. There are some telegram groups for antiques and metal detecting but they're not as engaging as a forum.

Lisa
It depends on how you use Facebook and Twitter. If you go looking for rubbish and conspiracy theories you will find them. If you, instead, join metal detecting and coin groups you will see some amazing finds like this R-7 New Jersey Copper that you will probably never see again in your lifetime. One of these days, when there is no money to pay for the servers, this specialist forum will disappear just like the dinosaurs millions of years ago.
 

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One of these days, when there is no money to pay for the servers, this specialist forum will disappear just like the dinosaurs millions of years ago.
True. That's what charter memberships and supporting vendors are for.

It's true of the big names (Facebook et al) too, they've just got deeper pockets so it takes longer.
 

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I located a small cellar hole not far from where I live. How I did not notice this years ago is beyond me? As with most cellars these days most are pounded out. As I walked up to it after a 15 min hike. I had doubts it was even a cellar hole. no well just a shallow depression with a small pile of more rounded rocks son the edge. turned my machine on and 1st target was a musket ball, nice I thought! 2nd target was a rat tail pewter spoon bowl. so this confirmed home site to me. I dug a couple fugio's and a shot CT copper a a few buttons and last target was a sweet silver luckenbooth brooch. I called it a day as it was getting late. I returned today started out with another musket ball. nabbed another copper which is a hibernia. then i dug a a button signal and out popped a clipped thin copper. didn't think much of it and put in in my case. When I got home and started cleaning my finds I saw a shield but it looked thinner and more narrow than your typical NJ copper. I sent a few messages to some colonial copper experts on facebook and got the good news. super rare only 10-12 known Maris 83-ii Rarity 7 which is amazing. boat loads rarer than my AMERI. reversed Chain cent. My coin is struck over a 1782 KG III Hibernia. You can clearly see the under type in the pics below.
View attachment 2113510 View attachment 2113511 View attachment 2113512 View attachment 2113513 View attachment 2113514 View attachment 2113515 View attachment 2113516 What a day!!!!!!!!! View attachment 2113850 View attachment 2113851
PIC BELOW SHOWS A KGIII HIBERNIA ON THE LEFT AND THE UNDERTYPE ON MY COIN ON THE RIGHT. YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE THE IA OF HIBERNIA AND THE NUMBER 2 IN THE DATE OF 1782.
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CONGRATS ON THE BANNER! Well deserved. Truly well deserved. That has to be one of the rarest New Jersey coppers I have ever seen dug. Awesome coin. Truly.
 

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What a nose for cellar holes. I've located some around where I live. Most show evidence of a previous fire. This old homesite I walk from my house to, but never taken an MD. All surface finds point to artifacts from the 1st quarter of the 20th century from the broken bottles and crockery that had been scattered by the plow, that has avoided being torn up by the foundations and always going around it for many decades. The coyotes had dug a borrow in the deep soft blown in dusty dirt that's built up in the center of the foundation over time. I hadn't found anything they've uncovered. One time when I was there with my dog three coyotes very nervously circled around us and were very concerned of our presence and constantly squatting to urinate. Never taking their eyes off us. My dog was viciously barking and was wishing he could go after them, but I put him on a leash. They may have had pups in the den from the way they acted with great concern.
 

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