USA button, reales, gold, and other relics

Tommy G

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I just returned from a six day hunt yesterday, so this will be my longest post ever! I got permission to hunt an 1868 estate (100+ acres), original home and out buildings still standing. The property is documented back to the original 1660 land patent granted by King Charles II. The land boarders the Potomac River. The owner introduced me to a local archaeologist that has been documenting the area for the past 25 years. Before my hunt began, I toured the property with him for about two hours, soaking up the history this guy had accumulated. Probably the most important history shared with me was the fact that there used to be a large pier on the river that served as a major cargo port from the mid to late 1700's. He was even able to point out the path the wagons took as they ventured to and from port. In total, I spent six full days hunting the area and managed to pull together some nice finds, some of which you see the in the table wrap up photo below. Most of the finds were found along the old wagon road, others closer to the house which has been occupied and passed down through multiple generations. Because of the long, documented history of this land, I expected to find an lot of cross-generation relics, which was the case.

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Now to some close ups. This pewter USA button was found along the old road about 100 yards from the shoreline where the pier connected.

USA front.webpUSA back.webpUSA back 2.webp

Before l left on Saturday, I met again with the archaeologist to show him this button and a few other finds. After closely examining the button, he said he could find no reason to believe this was not an authentic Continental Army enlisted button. I even argued with him due to the remarkable condition it was in. He told me there were multiple patterns of this button produced, some of poor quality, others of much better quality. He then commented on the excellent soil condition as a contributing factor, and went on the point out the excellent condition of the 1781 reale that I found not 20 yards away from this button.

1781 reale front.webp1781 reale back.webp

In fact, I found a half real, a couple of cut reales and a cut copper as well.

cut coins.webp

I can barely make out part of a bust on the cut copper. The back has no detail. Would love to hear your ideas on this one.

half copper front.webphalf copper back.webp

Then I stumbled on to this beautiful dropped, 50+ caliber three ringer.

large bullet.webplarge bullet bottom.webp

And a smaller one, maybe in the .32 caliber range that may or may not be period. Opinions welcome.

small bullet.webpsmall bullet botton.webp

A nice convex sliver button with pattern.

silver button front.webpsilver button back.webp

A gold cuff link, both pieces found in the hole.

gold cuff front.webpgold cuff back.webp

Some mystery buttons. The shank tells me 18th century, but the finish is very odd. All are quarter size. Again, comments welcome.

Mystery buttons group.webpMystery button close up.webp

Several of these. All with Waterbury Conn on the back. The website refers to these as hat buttons. Not sure of age, but found three, this one being the best condition.

hat button front.webphat button back.webp

Several pieces of large caliber rim fire brass, these two being the best examples. Both have two strike marks on them, indicating a misfire on the first shot. I have an .40 S&W for sizing comparison, these a slightly larger.

casings.webpcasings 2.webp

Part of a colonial buckle frame and knee buckle frame.

buckle frame.webpknee buckle frame.webp

Not going to post close ups the tombacs and flat buttons, but multiple sizes were found. I will end this post with a real head-scratcher. What appears to be (according to my research) a King George VI Royal Engineers button (WWII era). I have found a couple of identical examples on the internet, one stating that it was made by C. Pitt & Co. However, I've not found any photos that show a back mark. In fact, I've not been able to find a single C. Pitt back mark example, leading me to believe they had none. Anyway, not sure of the authenticity of this one. All I can say is that I found it several inches deep on a high ridge line, overlooking the Potomac.

Engineer front.webpEngineer back.webp

I could go on forever, but will cut this short :laughing7: Thanks for checking out the post, and if you want a close up, or have any questions about the other finds in wrap up photo, just let me know.
 

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Incredible week Tommy! That's more Spanish silver than I find in multiple years. :headbang: That really sounds like an amazing property and I hope you can continue to hit it.

Those cartridges are not misfires, but fired from a rifle with a firing pin that strikes the rim in two spots 180 degrees from each other. There were only a handful of rifles with firing pins like that, but the one that comes to mind are the original Henry .44 rifles. I measured them with your .40 cal cartridge and they look like .44 caliber to me... so most likely fired from a Henry rifle.

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Anytime the pin marks are directly across from each other, it was most likely fired from a rifle with a pin that strikes in two spots at once. Although possible, not really probable that by chance they would rotate a cartridge exactly 180 degrees after a misfire for its second strike... but I'm sure its happened! Somewhere I have a dual pin misfire with 4 strike marks on it!

Outstanding observation, Outdoor! You've really schooled me on the rimfire firing pins. I had no idea, but it makes perfect sense. I confess that I found it odd that these pin strikes were directly opposite each other. You've solve the mystery for me! Thanks!
 

And that is great array of items, BTW. I haven't been able to dig colonial in quite awhile.
 

Outstanding observation, Outdoor! You've really schooled me on the rimfire firing pins. I had no idea, but it makes perfect sense. I confess that I found it odd that these pin strikes were directly opposite each other. You've solve the mystery for me! Thanks!

While I love digging the old stuff, it ALWAYS makes me smile when I find a Henry cartridge! As an avid shooter and someone who loves history, those cartridges were from a period in time when firearm technology was rapidly evolving. Never dug a pinfire cartridge, but that would be pretty cool as well.
 

I have dug over 100 marked regimental Rev War buttons, most years ago. None ever had a wedge shank. Wedge shanks have been used since the 1960's-1970's by reenactors. I belong to one reenactment group, a year ago at Gettysburg we lost a "CSA" coat button off one of the jackets. And in a muddy area (it had been raining), I'm sure it sunk a few inches in just a day or so. So if somebody finds it in a few years they will think they have an old button, which is reasonable, but the manufacture style changed and someone knowledgeable will be able to tell. These days the button makers are trying to put on "correct" shanks for the reproduction coats, but unless a pewter button is in a fire pit (lots of ash), the pewter will never stay that nice. This guy sells some with the wedge shanks, and there are a lot of others out there. Almost all of the "NY" buttons found on ebay are 1970's manufacture. Najecki Reproductions (Continental Buttons)

Thanks for the info, Smokey. This is one of the internet sites I've viewed. If you've read some of my previous comments, I've questioned the motives of the archaeologist in his validation of this button. I'm now thinking he may have labeled it "authentic" in hopes of gaining permission for more site digs. In the meantime, I've shifted to trying to figure out how this button came to be here at all given the fact that no one can recall any reenactments on the property. Not as important has the button itself, but just to satisfy my own curiosity. Thanks again for commenting.
 

While I love digging the old stuff, it ALWAYS makes me smile when I find a Henry cartridge! As an avid shooter and someone who loves history, those cartridges were from a period in time when firearm technology was rapidly evolving. Never dug a pinfire cartridge, but that would be pretty cool as well.

With your knowledge of the Henry rifle and the condition of the brass, could you venture a guess as to the time period of these rounds?
 

With your knowledge of the Henry rifle and the condition of the brass, could you venture a guess as to the time period of these rounds?

Sometime post 1860. I'd guess 1860-1870, but that cartridge was still made up through the early 1900's... so it could fall anywhere in that timeframe... or even later if someone was firing old ammunition out of grandpas rifle. Cant tell anything by the condition of the brass since we've all seen 10 yr old stuff destroyed in soil and 300 yr old stuff come out looking like the day it was lost.
 

Agreed with others, repro USA. Still a great collection of finds.
The cut copper is a Geo II Halfpenny.
 

Agreed with others, repro USA. Still a great collection of finds.
The cut copper is a Geo II Halfpenny.

Thanks, Crusader. I was hoping you would comment. Any thoughts on the Royal Engineers button?
 

Thanks, Crusader. I was hoping you would comment. Any thoughts on the Royal Engineers button?
Yes, its George VI period, so most likely WWII related.
 

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