Voodoo Technology and Greed

[Galleon Hunter]

What does anyone know about using crystal rods to find treasure I am a scientist and need proof, but by the same token, there are a lot of things science can't explain and just becasue science can't explain something doesn't mean it can't be true. According to the laws of Physics a bumble bee should not be able to fly. (thieir body mass is too big for the surface area of their wings) yet are you going to tell me that bumble bees can't fly I don't think so.

I was working with a company that has been looking for one of the missing 1715 fleet shipwrecks. We had found plenty of coins but no ballast pile.

Anyway, two years ago were were approached by a friend of Art Hartman who used energized crystal rods that could (so he said) detect treasure. He could also tune them to find ballast stones. We had an ongoing battle with the state...they wanted us to find a ballast pile before they would issue a salvage permit. Now here was someone for the first tiem that actually understood the dilema we were in. Without a ballast pile we had no salvage permit and without a salvage permit we could not legally bring up any treasure. Yet a ballast pile is a bunch of rocks, and our investors certainly don't want a bunch of rocks. It would do us no good to find the ballast pile and not be able to find the gold and silver nearby, and by the same token it would do us no good to be able to find gold and silver without finding the ballast pile. My buddy told us he could do both and could do it in 2 weeks. (weather permitting) Well we have been searching for the ballast pile since 1992. So I thought this was a good thing, but the company president replied that we would become the laughing stock of the treasure hunting industry if the the State got wind we were using "Voodoo technology" to find the ballast pile. Now quite frankly I don't care if a leprechaun, Easter bunny or tooth fairy show me where the ballast pile was as long as we find it, what difference does it matter how we found it.

Now, I was very skeptical that by buddy could back up his claims, but thought it was worth a shot. If he was succesful great. If he wasn't the company president could be the first one to line up and say "I told you so." What did we have too loose?

Well then the talk turned to what he expected in return. Now my friend is a very successful businessman ienss man, and quite well off financially so money is not his motivation. He considers his ability a gift from God as not everyone can replicate his success with his equipment. All he asked for is that 5% of any treasure recovered go to the charity of his choice and 5% of the treasure go to the charity of our choice. I told the president that and his reply was 10%...that could be a small fortune....

Well if 10% is a small fortune, what would 90% be

Meanwhile we did nothing. The ballast pile remains undiscovered and and two more years have passed without a salvage permit. Right now thay have 100% of nothing and as my old mathematics teacher Mrs. Netter used to tell us 100% of nothing is nothing.

So let the Voodoo Technology begin!!

Galleon Hunter

 

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[mariner]

Well if 10% is a small fortune, what would 90% be

Lots of people end up with a small fortune as a result of finding a shipwreck. Only problem is that most started off with a large fortune.

Good luck with the voodoo. Personally I think most of it is pseudo science, at best, but we do know that some people can dowse while others, including me, can't, so like you I would be interested to see an example of it having worked.

Mariner

 

[diverlynn]

Galleon Hunter
You know better than to go there on this forum. Gets everybody riled up.

DL

 

[rgecy]

You know it sounds to me like the state found a catch 22 to keep you guys from getting a salvage permit. Not every vessel would have a huge ballast pile. It is very likely that it could have been a smaller vessel that was loaded down and had to remove its ballast or travelling in-ballast.

As I understand it, you guys were finding some ballast stones, just not a main concentration. Isn't it also possibe that the ballast could have been scattered over a wide area, leaving no definitive pile.

Just my 2 cents on the matter.

As for the Voodoo devices, I have never seen one that works, but I am always open to let someone prove it to me. Some of these guys will only narrow it down to say 1 sq mile, and then its up to you to find it from there which is still a crock of sh!t. Narrow it down to say a football field or a 50yd radius and you get my attention.

 

[FISHEYE]

One way to find out if Voodoo Technology works is to do a test.Find someplace on the beach or water(that your voodoo guy doesnt know where) in florida to bury a ballast stone thats from the 1715 fleet and a gold and silver coins say 200 foot away or more.if your voodoo guy can find those items,then id say it works,if it doesnt then you know hes full of BS.

Several years ago i had some guy email me saying he could find treasure anywhere in florida with him in another state.So i told him that if he can tell me where i buried some silver coins in several places then i would give him 50% of whatever we find.I went to the beach buried 3 of my 8 reales in several places.gave him a call on my cell phone and asked him where they were.He said give him a few hours,i waited around for 3 hours,never heard back from the guy.I went and dug up my coins and went back to my boat.No emails,no calls from the guy ever since then.So i guess he was BS.

 

[pcolaboy]

Very interesting post! Hey if you guys get desperate, I have found nearly two dozen ballast stone dump sites used during the age of sail whenever they came into port to take on cargo. I can harvest and sell them cheeeep.

Seriously though, I wish your project the best and hope that there will be some positive vibes for you guys in 2009.

Good Luck,

Pcola

 

[CanadianTrout]

I am a scientist and need proof, but by the same token, there are a lot of things science can't explain and just becasue science can't explain something doesn't mean it can't be true. According to the laws of Physics a bumble bee should not be able to fly. (thieir body mass is too big for the surface area of their wings) yet are you going to tell me that bumble bees can't fly I don't think so.


Galleon Hunter

You're a scientist? That's the strangest paragraph I've ever read written by a "scientist". I do agree there are things science can't explain (yet) and these "voodoo tech's" just may be one of them. Some people swear by their techniques; others scoff.

I'm not a scientist so I don't know, I do know however, how a bumble bee achieves flight.

 

[sabre15]

I agree with dell, if someone comes to me and says they can find such and such after i've failed for 16 years, more power to them. Pseudo science or not, whatever works!

By the way, for people looking for missing ships of the 1715 group, is there a chance they are not being found due to possibly being wrecked off of the cape in areas we are not allowed?

Just thought I would ask.

 

[wreckdiver1715]

possibly!

 

[El Presidente]

OK - let's set the record straight. This is the greedy president of the greedy company. This Voodoo Technology and Greed" post was listed by a former employee and does not represent the opinion or attitude of the president or of the company.

First of all - where I was raised, I personally witnessed water dowsers. I cannot explain how it is done but apparently it works, at least sometimes. Not only can bumble bees fly but they can inflict pain on animals hundreds of times larger than them. OMG!

We are playing by the rules. If that requires finding a ballast pile, so be it. Rules are created for reasons. Following the rules isn't so bad, we've been in business for over 20 years following rules. It feels GOOD!

Re: "I was working with a company that has been looking for one of the missing 1715 fleet shipwrecks. We had found plenty of coins but no ballast pile." - Plenty of coins is one gold 1 escudo. It was turned over to the State, since the State owns anything recovered from submerged lands until a salvage permit is issued. Another rule we do not mind.

Re: "We had an ongoing battle with the state...they wanted us to find a ballast pile before they would issue a salvage permit." - We did not, have not and will not have an on-going battle with the State. We have not applied for a salvage permit and will not do so until we have what we and the State feel is sufficient evidence of a shipwreck. The fact is that all that remains to be found is sufficient ballast. We are not in a "dilemma" but simply playing by the rules. whatever they may be. They are written to guarantee the proper protocol is followed and that is what we intend to do. If funding allows, we will hire the Tooth Fairy this year as he or she actually is purported to leave real cash, not chocolate eggs or 4-leaf clovers. After all, what do we have to loose - a few teeth?

Re: "return" Without going into company confidential information, this is none of anyone's business that is not one of our stockholders. If the company does not want to further dilute, it is the company's business not a former employee's. Galleon Hunter fails to mention that we do not have stockholders that have limited stock - they are stockholders for as long as we are a company and have interest in all of our businesses, whatever that may be.

So there Galleon Hunter - please use the "voodoo technology" in your new ventures and stop trying to convince the readers that you are representing this company - you're not.

El Greedy Presidente

 

[brethren of the coast]

Thank you for your thoughtful response Mr. Kling.

 

[Carl-NC]

I am a scientist and need proof, but by the same token, there are a lot of things science can't explain and just becasue science can't explain something doesn't mean it can't be true. According to the laws of Physics a bumble bee should not be able to fly. (thieir body mass is too big for the surface area of their wings) yet are you going to tell me that bumble bees can't fly I don't think so.

If you were really a scientist then you would not be trotting out the old myth that science has ever claimed that bumblebees cannot fly. This is what pseudoscientists use when they want to denigrate the qualities of science in pursuit of nonsense. And, yes, using crystal rods to find treasure is nonsense.

But, if you're not going to do what makes sense, then do what makes you happy.

- Carl

 

[wreckdiver1715]

Welcome aboard TreasureNet El Presidente!

I am going to let this thread continue for just a bit longer, then I am going to move it to the Dowsing Forum.

Tom

 

[mariner]

TKO for El Presidente, I think. Bring on the main bout of the evening!

Mariner

 

[diverlynn]

Told ya so

Diverlynn

 

[divewrecks]

I believe that Galleon Hunter was just venting a bit of pent up frustration that accumulated during his employment with Company X. His post said that he “WAS” working for Company X, so I don’t think the Presidente’s assertion that he is “convincing readers he is representing the company” is warranted.

I am an Engineer with the world’s largest defense contractor. I could easily take the position that there is absolutely no way voodoo techniques could find treasure and defend it for eternity. I prefer however not to dismiss anything that is within the realm of possibility, whether scientifically provable or not. I try to keep such an open mind in all aspects of my life. Who knows, maybe I will propose bee wing technology on my company’s next generation fighters<grin>.

Although the Presidente states that Company X only recovered one coin on their site, it is generally known that nighttime withdrawals were being made. Perhaps that salvor was using voodoo techniques.

Anyway, I can sympathize with Galleon Hunter’s position after working so hard to make Company X’s site a success. You certainly earned my respect and support!

I also wish Company X the best of luck in this year’s recovery efforts. Use whatever technologies that work best for you and let’s see some treasure in the news!

 

[Peerless67]

#1) "I was working with a company that has been looking for one of the missing 1715 fleet shipwrecks. We had found plenty of coins but no ballast pile."

Translation: We found treasure.

#2) " Without a ballast pile we had no salvage permit and without a salvage permit we could not legally bring up any treasure."

Translation: Ballast pile = permit = we can do what we were doing in #1 legally

#3) "Yet a ballast pile is a bunch of rocks."

Translation: (obvious)

#4) "Now quite frankly I don't care if a leprechaun, Easter bunny or tooth fairy show me where the ballast pile was as long as we find it."

Translation: give me a ballast pile by any means

#5) "what difference does it matter how we found it."

Translation: no one cares how we get it.

#6) "Well we have been searching for the ballast pile since 1992. "

Translation: we have been looking for a pile of stones for 16 (sixteen) years.

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The Peerless solution:

I keep marine fish, as part of a coral reef aquarium I use "live rock", sometimes having live rock imported leaves you with "dead rock". A few weeks curing such rock restores it to its live rock status.
The rock once placed in an aquarium very quickly becomes incrusted with crustose coraline alge and things such as sponges and other invertebrates. What starts off as white and devoid of life and colour becomes purple, red, lilac and contains a miriad of animals within a relatively short space of time, and certainly a fraction of 16 years. The rock is just calcium carbonate laid down by corals and other creatures....Just rock.

I had a space in the aquarium that needed a rock of a certain shape, but live rock is random in its shape. So I needed to "create a rock". So I went to the store and bought some tuffa rock and shaped it.

The space that had been devoid of "rock" now had rock. And after 8 months in the aquarium it was not distinguishable from any other rock in the aquarium. Maybe this could be termed "a bespoke rock".

Now aquascaping is aquascaping, some people do it in 500 gallon home aquariums and some people do it in 2,000,000 gallon public aquariums. Hmmm dumping rock piles (break water) around marinas could be classed as aquascaping.

I wonder what my "rock" will look like in 16 years time, I wonder if any officiando who looks at it in the future will even care what my rock looks like, well its a rock right ?

My "rock" used to adorn a "different" boat..oops I mean reef, now it adorns "my" reef, its right where I needed it to be should anyone choose to scrutinise my aquarium.



Sorry I can not help with your problem, but I hope you enjoyed my aquarium.

Gary

 

[Galleon Hunter]

To anybody I may have offended, I am sorry. Never did I name names or proclaim to currently represent the views of the company in question. I am still a current stockholder and wish them nothing but the best. Four the record both gold and silver coins have been recovered from the site...this is all public information and contained in their annual reports. These were recovered, turned into and currently in the possession of the State of FL. At the same time there is much "confidential information I am privy to and will not divulge." How many coins and artifacts have been stolen from the site is anyone's guess.

The intent of my post was not to complain what Company X has done or failed to do...rather see who out there has any type of familiarity or success with such devices. The person in question with this technology, also claims to have found the El Salvador in NC, and two other independent groups including FL Research & Recovery support his claim.

I am a skeptic, but have seen several demonstrations I cannot explain.

Galleon Hunter

 

[Galleon Hunter]

I guess a little background is required. I first saw a demonstration at Art Hartman's place in Fort Pierce about 10 years ago. His demonstration was quite convincing. He claims to have been able to energize these crystal rods to certain frequencies. The Pentagon became interested in these claims because of the toe popper mines. In the good old days,like WWII, mines like the Claymore were designed to blow you to smitherines. Well, in more recent warfare, ( a kinder and gentler world I suppose) mines now are more designed to maim, they will probably blow your foot off but not necessarily kill you. The whole idea is if you kill one soldier...you kill one soldier...if you wound one soldier, it takes two healthy soldiers to care for him and get him out of harms way. Anyway since Vietnam, there are literally millions of these mines throughout the 3rd world countries of the world, including Afganistan. (One of Princess Di's greatest causes was the removal of these existing mines and outlawing their use. The problem is once the conflict is over, the mines remain and kids are the one's blowing their legs off. The other problem is that these mines are 99.9% plastic. They cannot be detected with conventional metal detector equipment.

The pentagon approached Art and asked if he could find a way to "locate" these mines. They gave his several examples and sometime later a several scientists from the Pentagon came out to the farm for a demonstration. They took 5 of these toe poppers to the Fort Pierce Landfill...now you know how many different types of plastic must be in the landfill after 20 years... and hide them. they were hoping he might be able to find one of them...Art found all 5 within 20 minutes.

Now I got an opportunity to read the report submitted by the scientist to the Pentagon. Dr. Benson wrote that you could basically take his diploma from MIT, all his education and 30 years experience and crumble it up into a ball and throw it in the trash can, because what "I witnessed here today is scientifically impossible and I would not believe it, except for the fact that I had seen it with my own eyes"...I have no rational explanation for the events events and can only state that the test results were successful beyond our wildest expectations.

Like I said, i have seen things that are OUT THERE!

 

[Chagy]

I'm just curious and this may be a stupid question, but then why didnt Art find more significant amounts of treasure?