✅ SOLVED War of 1812 Hardee Hat pin?

[Jlefebvre]

Can anyone identify this?

 

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[Retired Sarge]

Cool find, maybe someone can give you a more definite answer, versus speculation on my part.

I cannot for the life of me find an example of this badge. It looks like the eagle is on an anchor, which would make it Naval related, maybe a Navy Cadet.

But I cannot narrow it down to exactly who and when though, other than a possible Naval connection.

 

[ToddsPoint]

That's a neat find. Interesting to look at the eagle's feet. Looks more like a canary than an eagle! Gary

 

[Jlefebvre]

The shield has five stars and looks like some of the insignia from 1812 period but the eagle does look odd. I also thought it was clutching a sword or scabbard. I’ve searched everywhere and cannot fine a match. This was found on a 1700 property in mid coast Maine. 10 feet from it was a civil war uniform button.

 

[ticndig]

Can we see the back .

 

[DCMatt]

That's an awesome hat badge. Very nice condition...

I looked for US military related emblems with an eagle and an anchor. Not much out there excepts Marines.

The only other example I found was a Civil War era button from the "Revenue Cutter Service" which ultimately became our modern day Coast Guard.

Circa 1860:

 

[Sod Buster]

Here is something vaguely similar.

https://www.flyingtigerantiques.com...fficer-hat-badge-hand-engraved-in-silver.html

 

[Jlefebvre]

Here is the back. I’m at work so no cleaned up pictures

 

[Jlefebvre]

The eagle still has bits of felt attached to the rear, possibly from a service hat

 

[Jlefebvre]

this button was about ten feet from the eagle.

 

[smokeythecat]

I'm thinking pre CW hat badge. In general, hat badges were not uncommon at all. I haven't seen this type before. I also see an eagle over an anchor.

 

[bradyboy]

seems odd that there are 2 rings on the back side under the wings and one at the top
brady

 

[Dug]

View attachment 1926931 this button was about ten feet from the eagle.

That is a Navy button and because the fluke is behind the wing would likely date it to Civil War. Back mark on the button would help narrow down the date range possibly.

 

[DCMatt]

Here is a mid-19th Century Navy Petty Office badge:

 

[DCMatt]

Did more reading. Now I'm thinking - not a hat badge.

Here is a thread on USmilitariaforum that discusses metal rank badges worn on the sleeve of Navy Petty Officers around the time of the Civil War:

https://www.usmilitariaforum.com/fo...prentice-badges/&tab=comments#comment-2405594

Included in the thread is this badge:



There seems to be some debate as to when these were worn but not much question about who wore them. I'll admit, the more I read the confusinger and confusinger it got.

I suggest you post you item over on the other forum and reignite the debate.

 

[DCMatt]

From history.navy.mil:

The boatswain can be identified as a petty officer by the presence of the eagle and anchor device of 1841 with the star above it, prescribed in 1852. It would not be until 1866 that a system of rating badges would be introduced, so we can determine this man’s rating only by the all-covering petty officer’s device, worn on the right arm and the boatswain’s pipe.

 

[Doubter in MD]

I may be looking at this wrong but I don't see an anchor. I see a sword hilt.

 

[Retired Sarge]

I may be looking at this wrong but I don't see an anchor. I see a sword hilt.

What looks like a Sword Cross Guard is the Anchor Stock, what looks like a Sword Blade is the Anchor Shank, above the Anchor Stock is the Anchor Ring, what looks like part of the Sword Guard or Knucklebow is the Anchor Line. I originally thought the same thing when looking at it last night, then I realized it was an (sword), I meant anchor.....


ETA: Fixed my typo, I put sword as the last word instead of anchor. Leading to confusion that I was stating it was sword, when all the information above showed I meant anchor.

 

[DCMatt]

I may be looking at this wrong but I don't see an anchor. I see a sword hilt.

Not a sword.



It's a mid 19th C Petty Officer's rank badge. Eagle on a fouled anchor. But the bottom portion of the anchor is missing.

 

[Jlefebvre]

Thanks for the info on that site. I found something similar and if you look at the top of the anchor and it’s chain it’s very similar to the one I have.