Well Its Not A 1669 Token/Coin(But How often Do You Top That?)

[timekiller]

Well It's Not A 1669 Token/Coin(But How often Do You Top That?)

Went back today and got me some more goodies.I'm really puttin' the MD to this place.The stuff has just been roughly cleaned up so far.I have them down stairs cleaning right now.One of the buttons has some different designs on it and the cuff links do to.Can't wait to see how they come out.As for the 50cal. the only way I can think it got here is fell off a Gunship (helicopter) or might be Jet doubt that though.Bombing range some what near.No one for miles of this place and only can get to by water.Only other thing it could of came from was world war II.There was a lot going on here on the coast back then.Either way I glad I wasn't standing there mding when she fell from the skys.
Timekiller!

 

[pitbullfan]

Re: Well It's Not A 1669 Token/Coin(But How often Do You Top That?)

Nice work man!!!

 

[timekiller]

Re: Well It's Not A 1669 Token/Coin(But How often Do You Top That?)

Nice work man!!!

Thanks there pitbullfan,and a new member to (Tnet.world) too I see.Also see your a 15 mile away neighbor. Hope you enjoy the site here alot of very knowlege people here to help with questions.

 

[TiredIron]

Re: Well It's Not A 1669 Token/Coin(But How often Do You Top That?)

Howdy all,
I'm not a "know-it-all" about everything, but I know a lot about a lot of things and I am a "know-it-all" about one thing in particular.... that's the Browning Machine Guns and their related ammunition. I hope a couple of you fellas can take being corrected on Timekillers cartridge that he found, and I hope I don't get Timekiller in the dog house with Mrs.Timekiller.
The "Blue Tip U.S. 50BMG (12.7 x 99 mm) M1 Cartridge that you found is (as you all said) categorized as being an "incendiary" round for use against unarmored flammable targets like aircraft. Used by M2 and M85 machine guns. Upon impact with a hardened or armored target, the incendiary composition bursts into flame and will ignite any flammable material. Incendiary composition "A" : 34 grains (2.2 gm) IM 11 The cartridge is identified by a blue bullet tip. Type Classification: OBS - MSR 11756003
This projectile does not "trace"...or smoke in flight. Its ability to explode, flash, or detonate on impact has nothing to do with it being launched or fired. It only needs sufficient impact squarely on its nose. The Silver Tip and Silver with Red Tips projectiles will react exactly the same way. The Yellow-Silver-and Red tip also but greater sensitivity. I reload all these by the thousands and fire them in my weapons from various vehicles and platforms.
Now the scary part of the story. In my circle of acquaintances sharing the same enthusiasm of this hobby, there have been a few rare incidents. Loaded cartridges with the "Blue Tip, Silver Tip, Silver/Red Tip, and Yellow/Silver/Red
Tip" projectiles have all been accidentally dropped on hard surfaces like concrete and 99% of the time nothing happened. But at least "four" that I can remember in the last 35 years have detonated. Luckily not one caused a very serious injury. When its happened there was loud bang and bright flash and everyone looks down at their selves and wonder who just got shot? One loaded round at a Gun Show went off when someone shuffling along reach out and touch it setting it off from static electricity. Again...no one was badly hurt. I doubt it could be reproduced.... but I know I can throw one down and set it off if I tried. The odds of it happening to you are about like getting hit by lightning.... "but" people do get hit by lightning. Its about as dangerous as dropping a 12 gauge shotshell and hitting the primer except its flush or recessed. So if you keep it... keep it safe...enjoy it. If your out in Colorado sometime and were having a shoot....I'll let anyone here shoot my .50's....you buy the ammo...its $3.00 a pop.
If you put anything resilient on the tip of your cartridge like a dab of silicone
or a layer of black electrical tap...you'll decrease the probability of it hitting hard enough to go off...by a factor of 100.
Its a neat find....we still find them laying on the ground out in eastern Colorado leftover from training missions during WWII.... although very few Blue tip. Because the Manufacturers during that time used a "sealant" around the primer...and between the case and the projectile, I have cleaned a few and they still fired in my weapons about 2/3's the time....thats after 66 years of freezing winters...rain...and baking in the sun.

TiredIron

 

[timekiller]

Re: Well It's Not A 1669 Token/Coin(But How often Do You Top That?)

Howdy all,
I'm not a "know-it-all" about everything, but I know a lot about a lot of things and I am a "know-it-all" about one thing in particular.... that's the Browning Machine Guns and their related ammunition. I hope a couple of you fellas can take being corrected on Timekillers cartridge that he found, and I hope I don't get Timekiller in the dog house with Mrs.Timekiller.
The "Blue Tip U.S. 50BMG (12.7 x 99 mm) M1 Cartridge that you found is (as you all said) categorized as being an "incendiary" round for use against unarmored flammable targets like aircraft. Used by M2 and M85 machine guns. Upon impact with a hardened or armored target, the incendiary composition bursts into flame and will ignite any flammable material. Incendiary composition "A" : 34 grains (2.2 gm) IM 11 The cartridge is identified by a blue bullet tip. Type Classification: OBS - MSR 11756003
This projectile does not "trace"...or smoke in flight. Its ability to explode, flash, or detonate on impact has nothing to do with it being launched or fired. It only needs sufficient impact squarely on its nose. The Silver Tip and Silver with Red Tips projectiles will react exactly the same way. The Yellow-Silver-and Red tip also but greater sensitivity. I reload all these by the thousands and fire them in my weapons from various vehicles and platforms.
Now the scary part of the story. In my circle of acquaintances sharing the same enthusiasm of this hobby, there have been a few rare incidents. Loaded cartridges with the "Blue Tip, Silver Tip, Silver/Red Tip, and Yellow/Silver/Red
Tip" projectiles have all been accidentally dropped on hard surfaces like concrete and 99% of the time nothing happened. But at least "four" that I can remember in the last 35 years have detonated. Luckily not one caused a very serious injury. When its happened there was loud bang and bright flash and everyone looks down at their selves and wonder who just got shot? One loaded round at a Gun Show went off when someone shuffling along reach out and touch it setting it off from static electricity. Again...no one was badly hurt. I doubt it could be reproduced.... but I know I can throw one down and set it off if I tried. The odds of it happening to you are about like getting hit by lightning.... "but" people do get hit by lightning. Its about as dangerous as dropping a 12 gauge shotshell and hitting the primer except its flush or recessed. So if you keep it... keep it safe...enjoy it. If your out in Colorado sometime and were having a shoot....I'll let anyone here shoot my .50's....you buy the ammo...its $3.00 a pop.
If you put anything resilient on the tip of your cartridge like a dab of silicone
or a layer of black electrical tap...you'll decrease the probability of it hitting hard enough to go off...by a factor of 100.
Its a neat find....we still find them laying on the ground out in eastern Colorado leftover from training missions during WWII.... although very few Blue tip. Because the Manufacturers during that time used a "sealant" around the primer...and between the case and the projectile, I have cleaned a few and they still fired in my weapons about 2/3's the time....thats after 66 years of freezing winters...rain...and baking in the sun.

TiredIron

Thanks my man for that info.Say you can put something on the end and should be safe.Also how big of the explosion is it ?Does the whole shell go off that would be bad I'd say chunk of copper that big fling around.Cause i asume it being lighter it is what takes off.
Thanks tireirone I had know Idea about it or they made such.!

 

[ivan salis]

Re: Well It's Not A 1669 Token/Coin(But How often Do You Top That?)

by sealing the blue tip wilth a clear buffer of silcone and pulling the tip carefully and dumping the powder charge in the shell -- and while its empty popping the primer off --then reassabling it --it should be very safe unless in a fire . ---

 

[TiredIron]

Re: Well It's Not A 1669 Token/Coin(But How often Do You Top That?)

Killer,
Its really more of a big hot flash and not so much of an "explosion".
When it happened to us it did set the powder in the shell off on two of them.
The Shell and the projectile weigh almost the same so you have two chunks of metal flying in opposite directions with at least enough velocity to do serious injury. Its not like tossing 22's in the campfire. Just put a dab of silicone on the nose and I believe you'll be fine. If you ever find anything larger than this leave it lay...don't mess with it.
Find a bunch more and I'll buy them from you..

TiredIron

 

[timekiller]

Re: Well It's Not A 1669 Token/Coin(But How often Do You Top That?)

Killer,
Its really more of a big hot flash and not so much of an "explosion".
When it happened to us it did set the powder in the shell off on two of them.
The Shell and the projectile weigh almost the same so you have two chunks of metal flying in opposite directions with at least enough velocity to do serious injury. Its not like tossing 22's in the campfire. Just put a dab of silicone on the nose and I believe you'll be fine. If you ever find anything larger than this leave it lay...don't mess with it.
Find a bunch more and I'll buy them from you..

TiredIron

Right on,man though it's a wonder know one got hit with all that going on.YA, we all where kids at one time and I've growed up with guns all my life.I've seen bombs, rockets(missels) and all over the years around here.I even seen loads of them come up in nets draging off shore where they dump this stuff.Also know of a couple of boats blowing up cathing such stuff.But I just thought this was A tracer round.

Thanks for the info.Tireiron.

 

[timekiller]

Re: Well It's Not A 1669 Token/Coin(But How often Do You Top That?)

I recall one trip on a trawl boat when we caught a whole bunch of ammunition wish I knew of you then coulda loaded you up.Probaly 3 or 400lbs of them but shoved them back over.
Don't know how you would of got them though they probably would lock my a$$ up for that going though the mail system.
Timekiller!