what kind of points do you think?

[larson1951]

i found these a while back but don't know the type
i 've found some more but they broke

 

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[natchitoches]

nice

 

[The Grim Reaper]

Steve, they look like McKean Points to me though I'm not sure if they are found in your area.

 

[Twitch]

McKean was the first thing that came to mind for me as well. Like SRV I'm not an expert in ND point types.

 

[T Witko]

McKean was the first thing that came to mind for me as well. Like SRV I'm not an expert in ND point types.

Steve, they look like McKean Points to me though I'm not sure if they are found in your area.

I've still got much to learn when it comes to identifying projectile points but I do know that Mckean points are found in ND.

 

[rock]

Nice points but way out of my area. I have a hard time just finding what mine are.

 

[coteau]

The clear/milky silicified wood point looks like an Oxbow due to what looks like a notch on one side, but I can't tell if that was an intentional notch. On one face the flakes extend further than they should for a notch (notching usually doesn't require much pressure, just nibbling).

The basal thinning looks very Oxbow like too. Basal thinning on Mckeans/Duncans generally do not extend as far as they do on Oxbows (less pressure and different technique when notching the base, I assume). However, occasionally Mckeans (especially Hannas) have deep thinning sometimes almost flute-like so I guess that contradicts what I just said. LOL

I'm gonna say Oxbow for the left mainly because the basal thinning from notching the base is more Oxbowish. The one on the right is a stemmed Mckean (Duncan).
Anyone agree or disagree? Please speak up. I like to hear how people come to conclusions on typology.

 

[larson1951]

The clear/milky silicified wood point looks like an Oxbow due to what looks like a notch on one side, but I can't tell if that was an intentional notch. On one face the flakes extend further than they should for a notch (notching usually doesn't require much pressure, just nibbling).

The basal thinning looks very Oxbow like too. Basal thinning on Mckeans/Duncans generally do not extend as far as they do on Oxbows (less pressure and different technique when notching the base, I assume). However, occasionally Mckeans (especially Hannas) have deep thinning sometimes almost flute-like so I guess that contradicts what I just said. LOL

I'm gonna say Oxbow for the left mainly because the basal thinning from notching the base is more Oxbowish. The one on the right is a stemmed Mckean (Duncan).
Anyone agree or disagree? Please speak up. I like to hear how people come to conclusions on typology.

thanks
i think duncan
we find a few duncan/hanna points here but this is not that, we find a couple duncan/hanna pieces each year
could be mckean which is found here and in eastern montana
the more i look at them in think just plain duncan
thank you much
you know i am not one to blog on and on and argue about something i ask about
i think this thread is pretty much covered by coteau, twitch, natch,rock, and reap
maybe old digger will have something to say
i agree we most likely nailed it and i appreciate and value the opinions
however these are a type that has only been found less than a dozen times in 25 yrs....and they were brokes

steve
larson1951

 

[old digger]

For starters, those are awesome finds!
Hanna and McKean points are so much alike, and date back to around the same time period. The Oxbow point's were also near the same time period. Below is a photo of some McKean ''Type'' points. You can see a slight evolution towards an Oxbow in the last point on the right.

 

[old digger]

Here are a few points that I have found that resemble an Oxbow and McKean Or Hanna. The first photo is a McKean type point. The second photo; shows probably both Hanna and McKean type points, and an Oxbow. (sorry, there not complete). The last photo is a Oxbow knife. (large with rounded point)

 

[larson1951]

For starters, those are awesome finds!
Hanna and McKean points are so much alike, and date back to around the same time period. The Oxbow point's were also near the same time period. Below is a photo of some McKean ''Type'' points. You can see a slight evolution towards an Oxbow in the last point on the right.

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yup Dennis,
i knda thought you would offer an opinion since you are only on the other side of the (montana/north dakota) border from me
we find so many things similar ... like points and scrapers, and to think the mandans and the crow did not like each other too much
thanks my friend for the very informative and examples of things from just west of us
i must say the variety of great material available here is large

steve

 

[old digger]

Your Welcome! I try my best to help if I can.

 

[11KBP]

i found these a while back but don't know the type
i've found some more but they broke

Nice points Steve.

Duncan/Hanna, McKean and Oxbow seem to all have some relationship
as Oxbows have been recovered from the same levels as McKeans at
several archaeological sites. If they are related, then there is bound to
be transitional looking examples. Yours fits in there somewhere Steve.

 

[natchitoches]

very good info.

 

[larson1951]

this is another that i found
i think oxbow like the one twitko just posted

 

[11KBP]

this is another that i found
i think oxbow like the one twitko just posted

It looks Duncan/Hanna to me.

If there is a relationship between Oxbows and the Duncan/Hanna as noted in my above
post and the Duncan/Hanna evolved out of Oxbow then you can see why some are going
to be difficult to place in a specific category.

 

[larson1951]

i have a few frames with a variety of similar 3 types.....maybe i could post them if you want
my friend martin found one of the most beautiful duncan/hanna points at the same site
it is pure high grade KRF

 

[SOHIO]

your point is moot

 

[larson1951]

your point is moot

what do you mean?

 

[SOHIO]

sorry larson i didn't mean anything i was just trying to be cute..lol im not even sure what moot means exactly i just heard someone say your point is moot on tv last night. I can't help trying to amuse myself . ok googled moot ..to say your point is moot means its irrelevant. I certainly didn't mean your point is irrelevant. You'll have to ignore me ya know.