which new tesoro

[findit]

out of the new available tesoro's which would be best to find silver coins? or are they all pretty much the same?

 

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[Sandman]

Silver being highly conductive can be found by almost any detector. A detector worth it's value will not have you digging as much trash.

When you buy a car you Need it for taking you places. But you choose the creature comforts you want. It is the same with detectors.
Go to the Tesoro website and read all you can on the different models and make your decision based on how you think you are going to use it.

 

[Michigan Badger]

sandman gives great advice. And too there are a couple basic truths to consider with those things.

Context: coin hunting with Tesoro detectors

1) ground mineralization - It is generally believed that the best models are built to adjust to ground minerals in discrimination mode.

2) coil options - the Tesoro Compadre has none

These are the two biggies with Tesoro.

Here is Michigan I've noticed little difference in depth between the adjustable ground balance models and factory presets. I've done very well with both. However, in theory, the adjustables win the argument. There are many who strongly believe adjustable ground balance is essential. In other words, it's something to consider.

 

[EasyMoney]

Get the Silver uMax, it's the best at finding Silver coins and jewelry. I have found more silver with my old Silver Saber than with all my current 23 detectors and all the ones I've bought and sold throughout the years combined, and I'm talking about a lot of silver too. The Silver uMax has very similar circuitry to the old Silver Saber too.

The low frequency coupled with the precise "Controlled Phase Discrimination" discrimination capabilities patented many years ago by Tesoro, plus it's tight coil configuration gives the Silver it's advantages in finding silver very well, hence the "Silver uMax', etc. name. That's why they named it that.

 

[findit]

taking into consideration then on the frequency the cibola and vaquero are around 14khz, and the deleon, cortes are around 10khz. does just the 4khz really make a big difference? i thought that tesoro labeled the deleon and cortes a coin machine mainly because of the tid? is this correct

 

[JOE(USA)]

findit,

Hello again. Everybody giving you good advise. Your question about the 4khz making a difference. I am sure Tesoro had a solid reason for the different freq., but I'm not sure what it is. I'll try to remember to ask the next time I talk to Tesoro. Your correct in that the Cortes and the Deleon are labeled coin machines because of the TID features. The inescapable truth is, that you can only locate so many targets and dig so many holes in a given hunt time. Coinshooting is all about the numbers. you want the greatest amount of finds in the shortest time. TID is the key to not spending precious time digging junk targets. Joe

 

[findit]

thanks joe, yes that really makes sense,but can't the tid be fooled therefore you might dig everything anyway? and i am really curious on the 4khz difference

 

[EasyMoney]

I would strongly suggest that if people want to know as much about metal detecting as they possibly can, that they do a bit of searching online for the correct answers. The frst place to start is with the people who invented metal detectors.

According to George Payne the optimum (overall) best detecting frequency search is 12.5 Khz for good wide-range detecting.

According to Tesoro's OFFICIAL SITE under; "General Detecting Questions", the optimun range is 3Khz - 30 Khz, depending on the circuitry.

According to Erik Foster the optimum freq for hunting silver is 10-11 Khz.

The Silver uMax runs at around 10.6 Khz, and Gary's of GB says that their electronics testing shows a variance between 10 Khz -11 Khz., each detector having a slightly different freq.

Here is a better way to go on the subject. Don't worry about what everybody else writes or says about coils, detectors, search frequencies, circuitry, phase and PC detector technology.

Look up these names and read their scrolls and notes instead;

Gerhardt Fischer (Fisher): The man who INVENTED metal detectors.
Erik Foster: THE KING of PI metal detectors.
George Payne: THE MASTER of ground canceling metal detectors
Jack Gifford. THE CHIEF Tesoro engineer.

If you don't know who these people are, you should. They are the ones responsible for you owning the detector that you now own, and I'm talking about ALL detectors made after the 30's.

We all can chat about it til we are blue in the face, but these people have all the correct answers for us. The problem though, is that after years of telling people this I've only heard of maybe 4 people actually taking the time to read any of their writings, while the rest just move along and ask another novice, layman, or opinionated person. Go do the research and you will never have any of these questions again, and nobody will have to give the answers to you either. "Opinions are only temporary, but wisdom is for life".

HH all. And now I'm ready for a decent lunch, maybe a TV dinner or something?

EasyMoney

 

[JOE(USA)]

findit,

Actually the TID is never fooled. Electronically it is always perfectly reading out exactly what the target(s) are.The read or interpretation of the TID is all up to the operator. Some people never get the hang of it, others read the signals like a book. No matter how you slice it, more information about the target is a good thing. The TID machines are usually top of the line ($), so you don't trade off a more usefull feature in order to get TID.For instance, all TID detectors have manual or auto ground balance. I know of no pro coinshooters that will not use a TID detector.
Just my opinion. Joe

 

[JOE(USA)]

EasyMoney,

How true!!!!! You put it perfectly. Stating facts says so much more than all those opinions. Joe

 

[Michigan Badger]

While the theory for VLF metal detectors seems to be pretty much an established science today (not rocket science), there are still many variables such as differences in soil minalization, weather, moisture, and a raft of other conditions to consider and that come into play that don’t always play by the book.

The titans of the hobby can tell us how their equipment should work in an ideal application but they can’t always predict every possible situation.

This is what makes forums such as this useful although admittedly flawed. What we have here are real people using the equipment made by the masters of the craft. We either prove, or disprove their claims by our finds or lack of the same.

As for me, the owner’s manual is of supreme importance. It is always foremost in any attempt to use that machine. After that comes telephone calls to the company that made the detector. Then I get into the various forums and reviews taking what I read with a gain of salt (sometimes a bucket).

I have learned things here and elsewhere that did greatly help me better understand the original intent of the designers/manufactures.

But I’d trade everything I ever learned here or there for the map to a great treasure.

 

[EDDE]

Im no pro by far ,but i find a TID/VDI screen distracting
A guy i hunt with now cant seem to NOT look at his
I just tell him dig the damn target ,clean out some muck so to speak
help the better signals get threw for the next time we go back

 

[EasyMoney]

Well it looks like Joe, EDDE, Badger , myself, and SandMan are all pretty much reading off the same piece of music. The best detectorists are the ones who research, know their machine, and take a few gambles. I've taken mine too. It's just how it is..

I read somewhere of a new BFO that is better suited for mineralized ground and has excellent discrimination too. That would be fun, because a BFO coil has the simplest and lightest coil on the market, and it's circuitry is the lightest too. If it's true and I find it, I'll post it on here.

You all have a pleasant eve. Yeah, I said "you all", my Mother was a Texan and my Father was a German. Does that make me a German-Texan, an American-German, or a German-Texan-American, or a German/European/American? Some of my German ancestors were slaves in the 1800's, I wonder how that would fit into it all? OPPS! I mean "Y'All.

 

[Merf]

out of the new available tesoro's which would be best to find silver coins? or are they all pretty much the same?

Having only used a couple I can not say. B oth the C and V have been good.
I do prefer them over the TID machine that I have used.

 

[Michigan Badger]

I read somewhere of a new BFO that is better suited for mineralized ground and has excellent discrimination too. That would be fun, because a BFO coil has the simplest and lightest coil on the market, and it's circuitry is the lightest too. If it's true and I find it, I'll post it on here.

This is something I've discussed many times with those knowledgeable enough to do this. I usually get something like "ya it's possible but don't have the time to mess with it" (or words to that affect).

It have been my dream (I have a dream!) that one day all God's children would be able to buy kits to build their own detectors. I've tried in vain to get a couple PI homebrew designers to mass produce their designs in knightkit style kits but again I hear "ya it's possible but don't have the time to mess with it."

Just imagine how cool it would be for people with little or no electronic training to be able to assemble their own deep detectors and make their own coils any size they desire (possible sizes I mean). With PI and BFO this is possible.

I have a dream.

 

[findit]

Badger good point the inventors layed out the textbook theory on how it should work, but there are alot of variables in the field that only all of us can experience and help each other out. EDDE i agree the tid is too distracting for me too. constantly find myself looking at it instead of concentrating on the sound. most important IMO. what do you guys think then on the silver umax vs the cibola on hunting silver coins. silver lower frequency(don't know if it is that big of deal), cibola hot technology is thought to go deeper, higher frequency might find smaller stuff? what do you think?

 

[Michigan Badger]

Badger good point the inventors layed out the textbook theory on how it should work, but there are alot of variables in the field that only all of us can experience and help each other out. EDDE i agree the tid is too distracting for me too. constantly find myself looking at it instead of concentrating on the sound. most important IMO. what do you guys think then on the silver umax vs the cibola on hunting silver coins. silver lower frequency(don't know if it is that big of deal), cibola hot technology is thought to go deeper, higher frequency might find smaller stuff? what do you think?

I really don't know much about frequency and all that. Too lazy to read I guess.

What I do know is the Silver finds coins as good or better than most. As for the Cibola I wouldn't have a clue because I never used one.

I plan to mostly stay with the Minelab SE and Sovereign GT but I also want to locate a mint condition Silver for those faster in and out hunts. The Silver Sabres or the new Silver uMax are killers for coins. With this rig you could move along pretty briskly and still cover a depth of 7 inches and that will easily find 98% of all lost coins and rings on land. I hunt old house sites now and find coins dated in the 1860's at 3-5 inches deep.

Sometimes I think we overkill.

Badger

 

[EDDE]

ive tried the cibola for like 10 minutes and the u max for all of never
so *shrug*
heres one on amazon for cheap
http://www.amazon.com/Tesoro-Silver-uMax-Metal-Detector/dp/B000COHGPQ?tag=treasurenet01-20
http://www.treasurefinders.net/Silver uMax.html heres one for the same price with details on specs
it doesnt have an audible threshold tone to adjust since they are a factory set GB circuit
which is what i didnt like about the cibola so they are prolly close to the same machine
the cibola being "the newer technology"
on the cibola you can pop it open and adjust the pot + or - on the GB pot
so i dont see y you couldnt do the same on the umax
im sure troll across a few forums on modifications
if you have the ability maybe even add on a manual GB pot/ threshold pot
so *shrug*

 

[EDDE]

umax mod link

http://www.thunting.com/geotech/forums/showthread.php?t=10541

 

[BamaBill]

Findit, you don't say where you are. If you live in an area like MichiganBadger you'd be fine with a Silver uMax or Cibola. I have a Cibola in my stable (have 4 detectors now) and it was what I learned on two years ago. I love that machine in moderate to low mineralized ground. Its fast, it'll find anything at a good depth (8 to 10", depending on target size). However, if you live in one of the southern states where the ground conditions can be challenging, you might consider something that has ground balance, like the Vaquero. As somebody said, all of the Tesoros are designed to find silver, but its the kind of ground you're dealing with that should dictate what model you get (as well as budget of course). Hope this helps.