A true master of his craft!!

Bent-Twig

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I found this one many years ago. Actually during the first year I started relic hunting. Talk about beginers luck! The date is on the point. It was in a field that had cabbage in it and on the edge of the road they had just dug the ditch out ad flipped the debris up into the field. As I was running out of the field from a t-storm guess what caught my eye. It has some of the best flaking I have seen. The original owner and maker of this point had to be disapointed about losing it. A true master of his craft.I sure am glad he lost it for me to find some 10,000 years later. Thank You Mr. Paleoman!! Enjoy.

Happy Huntin' , Bent-Twig.
 

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Cannonman17 said:
Outstanding point! Are the bottom edges ground heavy?
Cannonman,

The edges dont appear to be ground at all but the base has some grinding on it but not much. The sides at the bottom taper in but are not ground.

Bent-Twig.
 

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Ohio_Doug said:
Cannonman17 said:
Outstanding point! Are the bottom edges ground heavy?

The base looks moderately ground to me. What does that tell you about this point cannon?
It just makes me question myself a bit because what appears at first glance to certainly be a paleo piece might not be for sure. If it were paleo I would expect the bottom 1/3 of the edges at the least to be fairly heavily ground. Now looking at that base too close for too long has me wondering about the tiny little flakes out of the corners.. I wonder if it might not be something else in disguise... the flaking style is throwing me a bit off as well... super quality piece no matter what it is.
 

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I see what you are saying Cannon. But is'nt it reasonable to believe that each individual maker had his own way of striking a point? Maybe whoever made this point did'nt think all that grinding was as necessary as his grand daddy thought? Just seems like logical thinking to me :icon_scratch:
 

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Looks like a stemmed point, with the stem broken...then perhaps modified. Killer workmanship.
 

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Hello Bent Twig I,m new here just joined but I've been collecting artifacts for over 30yrs. now the point that you have is a hardahay around the late .
woodland early mississpian very nice indeed.

Howard :thumbsup:
 

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stonecracker59 said:
Hello Bent Twig I,m new here just joined but I've been collecting artifacts for over 30yrs. now the point that you have is a hardahay around the late .
woodland early mississpian very nice indeed.

Howard :thumbsup:

It's not a Harahey, and Harahey are much later than the dates you suggest. Harahey are made by late Mississippian to historic plains natives by large percussion flaking and are frequently confused in their early stages with caddoan knives. I find them typically on butchering or "processing" sites. There are 3-4 completely different forms: your typical 4 bevel harahey, the two bevel (alot of people like to call them "snakehead"), the Neosho knife (named for Grand / Neosho waterway in the Ozarks), the Sekan knife (named for Southeast Kansas), and the pretty damn rare 3 bevel harahey.

Welcome to the site.
 

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Hey folks.

Just gettin back on after the busy holiday. Alot of responses on this piece , and alot of ideas that have me thinking now too. I dont believe it to have been a stemmed point unless it could have come from another area. I have never found or seen any stemmed point in this area w/this quality of flaking on them. At the state show every one w/out doubt said it was a paleo lance. Maybe I'm misjudging the grinding but I really dont think it is ground. I will try my camera skills on the base and sides here in a little bit. Maybe if I can get the pics clear enough you can help me out to weather or not the piece is ground. If it is not a paleo piece what else from this area could it be :icon_scratch:? I will get some more pics up here shortly. :thumbsup:

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Bent-Twig said:
Hey folks.

Just gettin back on after the busy holiday. Alot of responses on this piece , and alot of ideas that have me thinking now too. I dont believe it to have been a stemmed point unless it could have come from another area. I have never found or seen any stemmed point in this area w/this quality of flaking on them. At the state show every one w/out doubt said it was a paleo lance. Maybe I'm misjudging the grinding but I really dont think it is ground. I will try my camera skills on the base and sides here in a little bit. Maybe if I can get the pics clear enough you can help me out to weather or not the piece is ground. If it is not a paleo piece what else from this area could it be :icon_scratch:? I will get some more pics up here shortly. :thumbsup:

Happy Huntin' , Bent-Twig.

Show a close-up of the base edge if you get a chance and wouldn't mind. The pics make it highly resemble something along the lines of a Stringtown / early lanceolate that was salvaged, it could be the camera angle though. The small 'Notches' at the basal corners as well as the steep basal edge retouch lends credence to the idea that it at one time may have been stemmed, notched, or otherwise hafted in a different fashion.
 

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Hey Folks!

I know that it is hard to tell much from pictures. I took a bunch of pictures to try and help you make a decision on what the piece is. I have a point in one of the pics tha has simular flaking. I hope the pics help, I know they arent the best.

Happy Huntin' , Bent-Twig.
 

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VERY NICE!

Looks like a high-plains Angostura made of Alibates. Odd to be so far from the typical area if I'm guessing right, but no more odd than other things I have seen found in the 'wrong' place.

That is state of the art workmanship.


ROCKY
 

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