Another copper and a few more buttons from the new field. Need ID on copper !

[VERMONTPACKRAT]

Day two at a new site that I first hit last night about 7:00. Yesterday gave me 2 coppers and a bunch of buttons. This morning I headed back for a more concentrated search. Three more buttons. Silver gilt Dandy button, Rich gilt one piece button and a military button that I have seen a hundred times before........... Some one please educate me on this one.
I think I have one more copper One side has a bust facing right, the reverse has what looks like an eagle, upright with wings spread. I have no idea what it is, coin, token? Very thin and slightly larger than a US Quarter.
You will notice a 1980 Quarter in the pick. That damn thing came from 6" down, in the best part of the field and had me going for a while

Anyway...... Here are some pics. Not too much cleaning yet. I want to ID first if possible.


VPR

 

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[VERMONTPACKRAT]

The copper pics.

 

[Hill Billy]

Interesting coin/token find VPR. Almost looks like a duck or turkey's head on the reverse
Nice button's
Great hunt!

Hill

 

[Don in SJ]

You have a great spot there to hunt, so far have no idea what the funky copper is, but it sure has possibilites of being a goodie, something from the 1790s error, no earlier, could be later.

Don

 

[mainer]

Cant help ya on the copper ID, kinda weird looking. Love that eagle button. Got yourself a great spot there.

 

[Kyle PA]

VP, you had another killer day out! That military button is the day maker. IP will come on and give you an ID on the button.

As for the copper, it looks like a counterfeit King George III bust. The eagle on the back has me stumped, though. I wonder if it was stamped on the reverse after that side was worn smooth?

Kyle

 

[Don in SJ]

The button appears to be War of 1812 era, Albert's GI 61 Milita, 1 piece with border and rope edging. An eagle, shield at side, 16 stars encircling, on an oval lined field. Backmark listed in book is Imperial Standard 23mm ( sure could be other backmarks)

Don

 

[VERMONTPACKRAT]

The button appears to be War of 1812 era, Albert's GI 61 Milita, 1 piece with border and rope edging. An eagle, shield at side, 16 stars encircling, on an oval lined field. Backmark listed in book is Imperial Standard 23mm ( sure could be other backmarks)

Don

Here are a few more pics. The backmark, WARRANTED, TREBEL PLATED.

Thanks for the help !

VPR

 

[Don in SJ]

The funky bird copper, well, the Eagle is similar to the 1798-1802 Infantry Officer button, the denticles sure are toothy(similar to Machin's Coppers), and the bust might be GW or someone else of that time frame, this is one interesting old copper......

Don

 

[Don in SJ]

OK, the copper is a Canadian Blacksmith token.

That is one special find!!!!!!

Don

 

[Sniffy]

That button is what I dream of every night before detecting. I absolutely love War of 1812 era buttons. Another great post from way up in Vermont.

 

[dwayne sueno]

Re: Another copper and a few more buttons from the new field. Need ID on copper

great button and assortment of finds. great id, too, Don!

 

[VERMONTPACKRAT]

OK, the copper is a Canadian Blacksmith token.

That is one special find!!!!!!

Don

HOLY S**T !! How did you ever come up with the ID
I am anxious to learn more. Rarety? From who does the token come from? Looks like early 1800's.
Thanks once again for the help

VPR

 

[Don in SJ]

OK, the copper is a Canadian Blacksmith token.

That is one special find!!!!!!

Don

HOLY S**T !! How did you ever come up with the ID
I am anxious to learn more. Rarety? From who does the token come from? Looks like early 1800's.
Thanks once again for the help

VPR

Sending another PM

Don

 

[Don in SJ]

Blacksmith Coppers: Here is some sentences from "Forgotten Coins of the North American Colonies" by William T Anton and Bruce Kesse

A genre of coppers circulating and generally heretofore accepted as being produced in Canada, consisting of a variety of major types, sub-types and varieties, most notably George II and George III, British and Irish. The majority of these were probably made in the first half of the 19th century, and are noteworthy in that the dies were prepared such as to produce coppers with a well worn appearance( with little or no appearance of legends) in order to imply previous circulation and facilitate future acceptance........
The are halfpence size but are extremely thin and obviously light weight.

Don

 

[Iron Patch]

Re: Another copper and a few more buttons from the new field. Need ID on copper

You beat me to it! I knew as soon as I seen it.... worth a few $$$ too!

 

[Colonial Copper Zeus]

You had a killer day VPR. That is one rare copper find and the button would make any military relic lover consider a change of drawers Keep up the good work.
Chris

 

[Iron Patch]

Re: Another copper and a few more buttons from the new field. Need ID on copper

In the range of $1,000 coin.

Quite a day you had!

 

[Brian(upstateNY-Central Fla.)]

Thats awsome VPR
Love the bottons and the copper very nice find

 

[VERMONTPACKRAT]

Here are a few more pics to compare size.

VPR