🥇 BANNER Clay Pot with Coins Inside!!!!!

[BVI Hunter]

Back to my pals old property and found had a signal close to this pot.
I had previously picked up lots of surface bottle finds so moved this out of the way to use the pinpointer - but the signal had gone

Looked inside and saw what turned out to be coins!!!!

Will try to clean these up a bit, the soil was packed quite hard inside.

Picture below show the pot (outside and inside) and the coins as found!

 

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[huntsman53]

BVI... I found this Clay Seltzer Bottle online and thought it might help with the identifcation of your' clay pot or bottle. This one dates to between 1806 and 1866 and has a stamp on the outside saying "Herzogthum Nassau" (Duchy of Nassau), a lioncel and the word "Selters" (seltzer water). This Duchy was part of the German Confederation and existed barely 60 years (1806-1866).


Frank

 

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[BVI Hunter]

BVI... I found this Clay Seltzer Bottle online and thought it might help with the identifcation of your' clay pot or bottle. This one dates to between 1806 and 1866 and has a stamp on the outside saying "Herzogthum Nassau" (Duchy of Nassau), a lioncel and the word "Selters" (seltzer water). This Duchy was part of the German Confederation and existed barely 60 years (1806-1866).


Frank

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Frank,

that looks very similar, and also to the ones I found on-line. if so, one thing is fairly certain, the pot must have been at least partially broken for the coins to fit (opening too small?)
The other thing is the dates would match almost exactly - I know a little history of this plot and that would tie in perfectly

 

[treblehunter]

I have a question about your coins BVI. From the looks in some of your pics they appear to be heavily encrusted like you would expect to find if they had been long-lost in a salt water environment. But the site pics of the pot look like these were found in loose, loamy soil, and I think you mentioned somewhere the site was on high ground and not near the ocean. If that's the case then how did the coins develop the heavy encrustation shown?

Let me interject here (does that make me sound smart? lol ) From living so close to the Jersey shore, I know that the very air gets salt in it. From BVI's discrption of being a mile inland, it would very easily get encrusted with salt. I found a Merc in Cape May NJ not long ago, it was a mile from the beach, maybe more. it was four inches down in topsoil that looked no different then any of the places I hunt in South Jersey. It was by far in the worse shape of any of my silvers I found last year.

 

[BVI Hunter]

Let me interject here (does that make me sound smart? lol ) From living so close to the Jersey shore, I know that the very air gets salt in it. From BVI's discrption of being a mile inland, it would very easily get encrusted with salt. I found a Merc in Cape May NJ not long ago, it was a mile from the beach, maybe more. it was four inches down in topsoil that looked no different then any of the places I hunt in South Jersey. It was by far in the worse shape of any of my silvers I found last year.

Thanks Treble!

who can really say what causes these types of anomalies! looks like we both got something out of the 'norm'?

 

[Southern_Digger]

Nice Merc...

 

[huntsman53]

Let me interject here (does that make me sound smart? lol ) From living so close to the Jersey shore, I know that the very air gets salt in it. From BVI's discrption of being a mile inland, it would very easily get encrusted with salt. I found a Merc in Cape May NJ not long ago, it was a mile from the beach, maybe more. it was four inches down in topsoil that looked no different then any of the places I hunt in South Jersey. It was by far in the worse shape of any of my silvers I found last year.

Good point treblehunter! Anyone that has lived or spent any time on or near the coasts anywhere in the world, have not only smelled the salt in the air but felt it on their' skin due to Sea Breezes. While these are less prominent in the fall, winter and spring in more Northern latitudes, they occur almost daily where BVI lives and finds treasures. However, while Sea Breezes can account for an almost daily influx of salt in the air flowing and settling on the ground, Hurricanes that have hit there and there have been many of them since they were first recorded, are the biggest contributors.


Frank

 

[Southern_Digger]

Wow!!!!! Clean em carefully and post on Spanish Cob Forum. Experts over there can date these for you...

 

[BVI Hunter]

Good point treblehunter! Anyone that has lived or spent any time on or near the coasts anywhere in the world, have not only smelled the salt in the air but felt it on their' skin due to Sea Breezes. While these are less prominent in the fall, winter and spring in more Northern latitudes, they occur almost daily where BVI lives and finds treasures. However, while Sea Breezes can account for an almost daily influx of salt in the air flowing and settling on the ground, Hurricanes that have hit there and there have been many of them since they were first recorded, are the biggest contributors.


Frank

Frank

good theory

And bizarrely, MudSkipper is local to me, so don't be fooled by the Toronto location and the Maple Leaf so he should be aware of the local weather and its effect

I have received dozens of PM's from him and invites for a 'cold beer' to discuss finds and other threads of mine, and perhaps some animosity has crept in as I have not reciprocated - its a shame that a few comments can sour an otherwise exciting thread which I was happy to share

 

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[huntsman53]

Frank

good theory

And bizarrely, MudSlinger is local to me, so don't be fooled by the Toronto location and the Maple Leaf so he should be aware of the local weather and its effect

I have received dozens of PM's from him and invites for a 'cold beer' to discuss finds and other threads of mine, and perhaps some animosity has crept in as I have not reciprocated - its a shame that a few comments can sour an otherwise exciting thread which I was happy to share

I did not know that and thanks! I am sure that there are ulterior motives to some of the comments and questions that some folks post and I don't blame you for keeping some much farther away than arm's length.


Frank

 

[HenryWaltonJonesJr]

I guess the only way to really know why these coins look the way they do is to find more in the area! Like the merc above what would it look like if found 200+ years later? Have other reales dating to this time period ever been found inland and if so did they look salty or shiney?

Centuries + soil composition, who is to say what they "should" look like?


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[BVI Hunter]

I guess the only way to really know why these coins look the way they do is to find more in the area! Like the merc above what would it look like if found 200+ years later? Have other reales dating to this time period ever been found inland and if so did they look salty or shiney?

Centuries + soil composition, who is to say what they "should" look like?


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very true !

 

[Limitool]

I did not know that and thanks! I am sure that there are ulterior motives to some of the comments and questions that some folks post and I don't blame you for keeping some much farther away than arm's length. Frank

BVI.... I know the problem. Frank sent me dozens of PM's wanting to dig up the old horseshoes behind my home. He kind of "grew" on me so I let him. But I think he found the golden one!!!!! Listen all jokes aside... I agree with him. With your finds you do need to be leery. Now send me the coordinates... Frank lost the ones you sent him and we'll be right down to help. Signed... your Tennessee buddies.

 

[BVI Hunter]

BVI.... I know the problem. Frank sent me dozens of PM's wanting to dig up the old horseshoes behind my home. He kind of "grew" on me so I let him. But I think he found the golden one!!!!! Listen all jokes aside... I agree with him. With your finds you do need to be leery. Now send me the coordinates... Frank lost the ones you sent him and we'll be right down to help. Signed... your Tennessee buddies.

HAPPY DIGGING!!!

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[Plumbata]

Fantastic discovery!

I have some thoughts regarding the coins and apparently far more recent stoneware vessel.

The US Virgin Islands were controlled by Denmark until 1917, and after the abolition of slavery in 1848 the islands were economically depressed. In other Caribbean and south/central american regions, very old silver was circulated and accepted well into the 20th century. The stoneware item does indeed look to be from the 2nd half of the 19th century/early 20th century, which would correspond to the period of post-slavery economic stagnation/depression. I wouldn't be surprised if these coins were actively used as a medium of exchange well over a century after mintage, especially if reliable and trustworthy silver coinage wasn't otherwise available.

 

[BVI Hunter]

Fantastic discovery!

I have some thoughts regarding the coins and apparently far more recent stoneware vessel.

The US Virgin Islands were controlled by Denmark until 1917, and after the abolition of slavery in 1848 the islands were economically depressed. In other Caribbean and south/central american regions, very old silver was circulated and accepted well into the 20th century. The stoneware item does indeed look to be from the 2nd half of the 19th century/early 20th century, which would correspond to the period of post-slavery economic stagnation/depression. I wouldn't be surprised if these coins were actively used as a medium of exchange well over a century after mintage, especially if reliable and trustworthy silver coinage wasn't otherwise available.

Good info! Thanks!!

 

[unclemac]

Fantastic discovery!

I have some thoughts regarding the coins and apparently far more recent stoneware vessel.

The US Virgin Islands were controlled by Denmark until 1917, and after the abolition of slavery in 1848 the islands were economically depressed. In other Caribbean and south/central american regions, very old silver was circulated and accepted well into the 20th century. The stoneware item does indeed look to be from the 2nd half of the 19th century/early 20th century, which would correspond to the period of post-slavery economic stagnation/depression. I wouldn't be surprised if these coins were actively used as a medium of exchange well over a century after mintage, especially if reliable and trustworthy silver coinage wasn't otherwise available.

add to that...who cared to collect these then anyway....silver coinage traded as silver coinage.

 

[BVI Hunter]

add to that...who cared to collect these then anyway....silver coinage traded as silver coinage.

Very true!

 

[Lanny in AB]

Many congratulations on a fantastic find!

All the best,

Lanny

 

[BVI Hunter]

Many congratulations on a fantastic find!

All the best,

Lanny

thanks so much