Platinum Treasure!!! One Troy Once!!! Unique!!!

UnderMiner

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Final Edit 1/30/2015 : The test results are in: http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/general-discussion/448872-platinum-fork-test-results.html

I found this fork a few days ago along with some other less expensive treasures (mostly various grades of silver). Completed my research today and have come to the stunning conclusion that this is in fact... a 95% pure Platinum fork - solid Platinum with a gold plating - made by Cartier. This very well may be one of the most expensive pieces of cutlery in existence. Considering it weights 30.9 grams (1/5th of a gram shy of 1 Troy Ounce) I think it may very well be the single largest piece of platinum ever posted to this website. It's certainly the biggest piece of platinum I've ever found! I'm still shaking from the rush!! :headbang:

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Here's the story. Over the past week I've been pounding that old site by the shore again and again but this time using the new ExCal-II. It was a bit of a learning curve as I'd only used my new ExCal-II once before this. What a difference. The sandy/salty soil was no problem for the ExCal-II and the deep signals were coming in loud and clear. Ended up finding a ton more artifacts (silver, copper, iron, more globs of lead) - all much deeper finds than my other detector was able to handle. No more 18th century pepper pots unfortunately (I was hoping for a trifecta). I did however find, among other things, a sterling silver mechanical pencil (Victorian-age from the looks of it), an 80% silver olive fork, three hand-carved sterling spoons, a pewter dish, some broken pieces of porcelain, glass, and even what looks like to be a piece of an old shoe. I will post all these finds and more later in one massive post once I'm sure I've unearthed everything.

Anyway, this post is about the crowning jewel of the finds so far - the Platinum fork. I dug it up shortly after finding the sterling mechanical pencil. When I first saw the platinum fork it was all black just like all the silver in that area. I rubbed the dirt off (I know, I'm still kicking myself for doing such a stupid thing) and it revealed a golden luster - I assumed it to be a gold plated fork of either silver or some other cheaper metal. Into the bag it went and the hunt continued. At the end of each day I would clean and photograph my finds. I noticed the "950" hallmark during this time a few days ago.

The "950" is stamped in an "upside-down shield". I first saw this mark when I examined the fork the day I found it. I assumed it to be a sterling mark for 95% silver. I checked online a few times but really I had pretty much concluded it just had to be a type of silver. Today I did some in depth research and discovered that there is absolutely no sterling mark that resembles this hallmark. I did further research of other precious metal hallmarks besides silver and was stunned - the mark was listed as one of 4 types of platinum hallmarks. According to my research this platinum hallmark represents the second highest purity of platinum - 95%!! There is a crown above the "950", a little symbol that looks like an "R" directly above the "950", and a little "M" to the right of the "950". On the right side of the fork it says "Made in France" and on the left side it says "Cartier". There is also what appears to be some kind of etched serial number, possibly "1040". The piece weights 30.9 grams - almost exactly one troy ounce making it worth just about $1,200 in melt value.

The unknown: How old is this piece? I've had trouble dating this piece as hallmark charts by Cartier don't appear online in detail.

One thing is for certain Cartier is not known for cranking out platinum cutlery. I have a feeling this may have been a custom made piece. If so it may be unimaginably rare and expensive. My feeling is that it is worth way over its melt value of $1.2K - perhaps its worth $5k+ who knows? I will have to get it professionally appraised. Until then the hunt continues!!! :D Arg! Now with all this new swag I feel like a true pirate! :skullflag: :blackbeard: :laughing7:

Edit: Okay, it's officially confirmed. What I initially thought was an "R" stamp is in fact a "PT" stamp, "PT" means Platinum! "PT 950 M" is a high-strength Platinum alloy. The M stands for the 5% other metal added with the Platinum most likely Ruthenium! I'm on cloud 9 right now! :D

Platinum stamp along with hallmark chart:
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Cartier markings along the sides:
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Fork on my scale, note 30.9 gram weight:
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gunsil

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The finder is in NYC, there is a huge Cartier store in NYC, why it hasn't been checked out by them I do not know. I agree with many that is is more likely vermeil, gold plate over sterling, and as others pointed out there is sterling that is 950 from France. It is definitely not common to find platinum with a gold wash or plate since platinum is very tarnish or oxidation resistant like gold.
 

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No matter what it is your a Pirate...Excal and Water = Gold Treasure = Pirate.. Good Luck


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Arg! Now with all this new swag I feel like a true pirate!
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No matter what it is your a Pirate...Excal and Water = Gold Treasure = Pirate.. Good Luck

Love the PB ship!! (should have modified the cassette on the sail) Awesome avatar. :skullflag:

Anyways...to add my pointless cents to this thread, I really hope that it turns out to be what the OP thinks it is. Matter of fact, I hope we read about him on the news when he finds a hoard of them.

Awesome find OP!! Finds like that are ones that most of us only dream about, no matter what it's made of. :icon_thumleft:
 

coinman123

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Why would they make a platinum fork with gold plating? Gold plated items are usually junk metal underneath the plating. I know nothing about platinum, except that it wouldn't need to be gold plated to make it look beautiful.

Back in the 19th century and early 20th century platinum was very cheap, people would even counterfeit gold coins with gold plated platinum.
 

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Back in the 19th century and early 20th century platinum was very cheap, people would even counterfeit gold coins with gold plated platinum.
I love this idea, e.g. platinum, with its weight and density, was used to simulate a solid gold fork for less money. You can see the price of platinum as a percentage of golds price on this page, second chart: https://www.bullionvault.com/gold-news/platinum-gold-price-011520122 You can see that in the 1880s - 1890 platinum was approximately 1/4th the price of gold
 

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I think it is an awesome plat fork,congrats to you Underminer.its also nice to see the mods intervened,at page 6 or 7...its funny such a simple rule is so hard to follow... keep the great finds coming
 

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Wow!! I have no idea if it's the real thing or what, Awesome find just to have that chance!!
Hope it comes back Platinum and you find more amazing treasures from that same site.
Keep us updated and Good Luck at it being the real deal!!
 

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I just don't see the big deal unless someone gets $hity about it. I posted a 1914 D Lincoln and was called out on a fake. I researched it, learned a ton of info in the process, and it was indeed a fake. I appreciated all the feedback and help I received to come to the truth about what I had. If it's real you will have the last laugh, if it's fake you can apologize and go find a real one. :)
 

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I think the key here is how a finds are presented in the post title. If you are making a claim that your find IS whatever you are claiming it to be then you should have done your research so that you know for fact that it is what you say it is. If you have not researched the item you are posting about then your post title should be some like "possible find" or "might have found" whatever it is.

Otherwise you are subject to the scrutiny and doubt that is inevitable on a public forum like this. There are a lot of knowledgeable members on this site and others that just like to stir the pot - it's just not always clear which is which :tongue3:
 

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I think the key here is how a finds are presented in the post title. If you are making a claim that your find IS whatever you are claiming it to be then you should have done your research so that you know for fact that it is what you say it is. If you have not researched the item you are posting about then your post title should be some like "possible find" or "might have found" whatever it is.

Otherwise you are subject to the scrutiny and doubt that is inevitable on a public forum like this. There are a lot of knowledgeable members on this site and others that just like to stir the pot - it's just not always clear which is which :tongue3:

With zero knowledge of Cartier & this type of flatware, I have no opinion either way about it being Plat or not. However, you do make a good point, I do try to keep my claims as accurate as I can make them after research or with combined knowledge. In some ways that 'may' have been the only slip up, although it's still not proved either way yet, so the claim might still hold. We all live & learn on here, I've been in some right messes.:thumbsup:
 

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I know it may be a stupid question and im very new at detecting so forgive me ... but why on earth would anyone want to make a fork out of platinum ???
 

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bill from lachine

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The find came from a beach area frequented by the super rich back in the day which makes it very plausible....the robber baron crowd had money to burn so to speak.

Regards + HH

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Wow. Platinum! F.T.G!!!
 

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That is funny Canslaw.... :)
 

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