Seriously uncomfortable survey of Law Enforcement Officers.

[Chadeaux]

It makes a change from you lot using founding father comments,quotes and statements now when knowing full well they'd have a HUGE change of opinion if they were around today!

You are assuming they were not resolute in their intentions. Here's part of a speach given in 1775:

I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided; and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging of the future but by the past. And judging by the past, I wish to know what there has been in the conduct of the British ministry for the last ten years, to justify those hopes with which gentlemen have been pleased to solace themselves, and the House? Is it that insidious smile with which our petition has been lately received? Trust it not, sir; it will prove a snare to your feet. Suffer not yourselves to be betrayed with a kiss. Ask yourselves how this gracious reception of our petition comports with these war-like preparations which cover our waters and darken our land. Are fleets and armies necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? Have we shown ourselves so unwilling to be reconciled, that force must be called in to win back our love? Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation; the last arguments to which kings resort. I ask, gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlemen assign any other possible motive for it? Has Great Britain any enemy, in this quarter of the world, to call for all this accumulation of navies and armies? No, sir, she has none. They are meant for us; they can be meant for no other. They are sent over to bind and rivet upon us those chains which the British ministry have been so long forging. And what have we to oppose to them? Shall we try argument? Sir, we have been trying that for the last ten years. Have we anything new to offer upon the subject? Nothing. We have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable; but it has been all in vain. Shall we resort to entreaty and humble supplication? What terms shall we find which have not been already exhausted? Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves. Sir, we have done everything that could be done, to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament. Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the foot of the throne. In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope. If we wish to be free² if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending²if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained, we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of Hosts is all that is left us!

They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance, by lying supinely on our backs, and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. Three millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations; and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable²and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come.


It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace²but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!

The speaker's name was Patrick Henry.

Hmm . . . he didn't sound wishy washy to me. How about you?

 

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[Chadeaux]

Liberty must at all hazards be supported. We have a right to it, derived from our Maker. But if we had not, our fathers have earned and bought it for us, at the expense of their ease, their estates, their pleasure, and their blood.

-- John Adams, 1765

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.

-- Tom Paine

A general dissolution of principles and manners will more surely overthrow the liberties of America than the whole force of the common enemy. While the people are virtuous they cannot be subdued; but when once they lose their virtue then will be ready to surrender their liberties to the first external or internal invader.

-- Samuel Adams, 1779

That "internal invader" is here now. He is within the gates.

They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

-- Ben Franklin, 1759

 

[Dano Sverige]

And you know this how......

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Because i have a PHD in "common sense"!


I didn't even bother with your post Chadeaux. Releventchair's whining about us going back to 1999 and as usual your side want us to go back to 1775. Baffling really!

 

[Chadeaux]

Because i have a PHD in "common sense"!


I didn't even bother with your post Chadeaux. Releventchair's whining about us going back to 1999 and as usual your side want us to go back to 1775. Baffling really!

and anything that doesn't agree with your preconceived notions is always baffling to you as you don't want to think, you want to FEEL . . .

Personally, I don't give a damn what you think politically. I try to explain why these things are important here, and you just ignore it.

The reason for going back is YOU SAID that those men would change their minds if they were here today. That is so much BOVINE SCAT.

You really can't stand not being right especially when you're wrong. Or are you just too damned lazy to read a passionate speech?

 

[releventchair]

Whining about deceit. Go back far as you want. Read posts studiously if your seriously don,t understand. I see you have a phd in common sense,are you going to follow Paine's immigration to America? He got sacked in england trying to get a higher wage,guess history can repeat itself.

 

[yelnif]

1. Background checks are an invasion of privacy for every person who passes a background check.

2. Criminals do not buy guns from locations requiring background checks they buy them on the black market.

3. It is already illegal to buy a gun if your a convicted criminal.

4. The background records can be abused by other government agencies in electronic searches for reasons having nothing to do with the original background checks.

"Blue Slip"

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Yea- that #3 law has worked really well, hasn't it? The criminals buy their guns from the thieves- no paperwork. And #4- they have been doing that for years. It all started with J. Edgar Hoover and only gotten WORSE!!! yelnif...

 

[Dano Sverige]

and anything that doesn't agree with your preconceived notions is always baffling to you as you don't want to think, you want to FEEL . . .

Personally, I don't give a damn what you think politically. I try to explain why these things are important here, and you just ignore it.

The reason for going back is YOU SAID that those men would change their minds if they were here today. That is so much BOVINE SCAT.

You really can't stand not being right especially when you're wrong. Or are you just too damned lazy to read a passionate speech?

I'm too dang lazy to read a passionate Goebbels speech too and it amounts to the same thing..."propaganda"!
Besides, i've read it before and seen the last sentence a thousand times in the last 3 months, why bother reading it again? You say these men wouldn't change their opinions and views today, yet not long after signing the Declaration, constitution, Bill of rights etc....they all turned on each other! The same type of thing todays politicians and powermongers do. It's not a matter of me being right or wrong, it's a matter those men would have a VERY different view of America and the world today! Not saying they'd change their beliefs or loyalties, just that if you brought them all back and after 1 year asked them to rewrite the Constitution, i think you wouldn't recognize it when they passed it back!

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

I'm too dang lazy to read a passionate Goebbels speech too and it amounts to the same thing..."propaganda"!
Besides, i've read it before and seen the last sentence a thousand times in the last 3 months, why bother reading it again? You say these men wouldn't change their opinions and views today, yet not long after signing the Declaration, constitution, Bill of rights etc....they all turned on each other! The same type of thing todays politicians and powermongers do. It's not a matter of me being right or wrong, it's a matter those men would have a VERY different view of America and the world today! Not saying they'd change their beliefs or loyalties, just that if you brought them all back and after 1 year asked them to rewrite the Constitution, i think you wouldn't recognize it when they passed it back!

Dano, if they came today they would be appalled at what the government has done, especially concerning the 2nd and 10th amendment.

They would change it no doubt, they would further enforce a couple amendments, 2nd and 10th especially. The only ones not recognizing it would be a lot of politicians, but then again a lot of the current politicians especially on the left don't recognize it now because they never took the time to even read it.



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[packerbacker]

I agree Dano, I think they would make a few changes. The BOR would contain an additional amendment. "Women shall NEVER be granted the right to vote. The denial of the right of women to vote SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!"

 

[packerbacker]

btw.....I purchased another 22 rifle yesterday that does NOT have a serial number. That's 2 so far without serial numbers. If they ever do make a law forbidding passing weapons down to family members, there will be no clear record of the previous owner and my grandchildren will be allowed to receive these guns.

 

[Dave44]

I'm too dang lazy to read a passionate Goebbels speech too and it amounts to the same thing..."propaganda"!
Besides, i've read it before and seen the last sentence a thousand times in the last 3 months, why bother reading it again? You say these men wouldn't change their opinions and views today, yet not long after signing the Declaration, constitution, Bill of rights etc....they all turned on each other! The same type of thing todays politicians and powermongers do. It's not a matter of me being right or wrong, it's a matter those men would have a VERY different view of America and the world today! Not saying they'd change their beliefs or loyalties, just that if you brought them all back and after 1 year asked them to rewrite the Constitution, i think you wouldn't recognize it when they passed it back!

Dano.. you truly have no Idea what America was founded on. It shows day after day. You obviously want to sound studied on this but you have not researched at all. It would not matter at all except your incessant speil trying to turn everyone to socialism,, most of us think that is a great thing for you all, you never understood liberty. You never understood self reliance. You never understood that you could rise above your class or your lineage.

Not your fault.. probably because you were raised that way. If you never tasted true liberty it is hard to describe to you. And maybe you will be the new oracle for our children. Seems like you are practicing, but you need to be on the teenage websites where they have less knowledge of history.