captain ack1
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hello fellow searchers....which detector goes deeper than the excal? im ready to upgrade
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lookindown said:So your not a true water detectorist if you discriminate? HaHaHa ...I dont discriminate, but you took a shot at a lot of people who do.Detector Wars said:But you only need to try it out for a day, you should find a store which will let you rent it or both detectors for a day.
Unlikely that you will be able to, so I guess you will have to rely on others' info. You will eventually get a PI, because that's the only way you'll know.
One thing that needs to be said regarding this debate;
If you're buying a water unit, you will want to use it in the water often, otherwise why buy a water unit? If you're using it in the water, you don't have to deal with as much junk. Sure, you will also want to use it out of the water, and in areas with lots of junk, vlf's are good for that (you mentioned you are ready to upgrade, so I'm assuming you already have an excal).
If you're going to spend most of your time out of water and wade occasionally, ask yourself if it's really worth getting a water unit at all, let alone another one. If you're a true water detectorist, you won't need to worry about discrimination, only depth.
It also amazes me how many people consider weight as an issue. Those problems can always be and are, easy to solve.
Tom_in_CA said:Craig-PI, I have read your comments throughout this post, regarding PI's vs VLFs, as per the "nail issue". I too have heard pulse advocates say they can tell the difference between iron and conductors (even if "most of the time", etc...). Yet from what I see, those very persons will certainly avoid the iron-ridden beaches, whereas ........ guy with discriminators (excal's for instance) will stay there and hunt them without a problem.
Sometimes we get storm erosion here, that scours out around piers and such, where nails can be so thick, that they resemble tooth-picks lying all over the ground. And there are silver coins lying in the midst of that mess! And you look to see where the guy with the pulse machine is ...... and he's leaving the beach "for greener grounds". And it's the same pulse user who confidentally says he can tell the difference between nails and coins.
Oh sure, I don't doubt that straight nails give a double beep (verses coins or round rings that don't). But so too does a gold stick pin or earing stud probably give a double beep. And so too does a bent nail probably give a singular narrow beep.
Since I do mostly beach erosion hunting (after storms/swells/tides), those are often the times where "time is of the essence" and depth is not an issue (because mother nature leaves everything shallow). The only thing stopping you from digging non-stop targets, is the incoming tide that chases you out. NOT the lack of targets. So in conditions like this, it seems that ratios (of iron vs non-iron) start to become very important, when you're talking the small window of time to dig as many targets, fast as you can.
Craig has said many times, he would not hunt NJ beaches with a PI, too much iron. your type of hunting requires the right tool for the right job. However most of us do not wait for storms to cherry pick. The last storm in my area was 5 years ago.
Tom_in_CA said:Craig-PI, I have read your comments throughout this post, regarding PI's vs VLFs, as per the "nail issue". I too have heard pulse advocates say they can tell the difference between iron and conductors (even if "most of the time", etc...). Yet from what I see, those very persons will certainly avoid the iron-ridden beaches, whereas ........ guy with discriminators (excal's for instance) will stay there and hunt them without a problem.
Sometimes we get storm erosion here, that scours out around piers and such, where nails can be so thick, that they resemble tooth-picks lying all over the ground. And there are silver coins lying in the midst of that mess! And you look to see where the guy with the pulse machine is ...... and he's leaving the beach "for greener grounds". And it's the same pulse user who confidentally says he can tell the difference between nails and coins.
Oh sure, I don't doubt that straight nails give a double beep (verses coins or round rings that don't). But so too does a gold stick pin or earing stud probably give a double beep. And so too does a bent nail probably give a singular narrow beep.
Since I do mostly beach erosion hunting (after storms/swells/tides), those are often the times where "time is of the essence" and depth is not an issue (because mother nature leaves everything shallow). The only thing stopping you from digging non-stop targets, is the incoming tide that chases you out. NOT the lack of targets. So in conditions like this, it seems that ratios (of iron vs non-iron) start to become very important, when you're talking the small window of time to dig as many targets, fast as you can.