1715 Fleet

[TM104A]

Hi. I am new to the site and I am looking for info on the ships and their captains of the 1715 fleet. Does anyone know when and where the ships in the fleet were built and if any of the captains survived the wreck and if so when and where they died and what happened to them after this event. Thanks. TM

 

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[aquanut]

Everthing you want to know is already on this Forum. Search it out.

 

[RTR]

1715 fleet society The Official Website Dedicated to Commemorating the 300th Anniversary of the 1715 Fleet Disaster 1715 to 2015 - 1715 Fleet Society

 

[Nathan-Drake0075]

Welcome! Be careful researching it, ppl already filed claims for the wrecks, you are probably wasting your time researching it if you are planning on salvage

 

[treshuntintom]

welcome to the site.easy to answer your request.Ernie Richards in WPB.he has every book you need and a super guy also.Listen to Aquanut.
have good weekend.Tom

 

[Au_Dreamers]

Welcome! Be careful researching it, ppl already filed claims for the wrecks, you are probably wasting your time researching it if you are planning on salvage

He could be researching to become a sub-contractor...

 

[Au_Dreamers]

Hi. I am new to the site and I am looking for info on the ships and their captains of the 1715 fleet. Does anyone know when and where the ships in the fleet were built and if any of the captains survived the wreck and if so when and where they died and what happened to them after this event. Thanks. TM

What Aquanut said...

Yes some "Captains" and owners survived.

The ships and life after the disaster is slightly deeper research than most of the common knowledge.

Gross Music here on Tnet has some good posts about life after the disaster for some.

Best of luck.

 

[PetesPockets55]

He could be researching to become a sub-contractor...

Or genealogy?
Seems OP is more interested in the individuals and areas they may have settled.

 

[Salvor6]

Get the book "Florida's Golden Galleons" by Robert Burgess and Carl Claussen. It has everything you want to know about the 1715 fleet.

 

[grossmusic]

Genealogy is probably easier to look up now since I wrote my Treasure Galleons book. I'm amazed each year how much more is available online. Problem is, most is in Spanish, so that will make it harder if you don't speak Spanish (I don't, though I've learned to read it pretty well by now).

Somewhere on tnet I think is a list of passengers from Ubilla's ship(s). I recall at least one or two of the marquis' sons were aboard, but I don't know their fate. I do know the fate of Echeverz & three of his sons in later years. Definitely had a rough time in the years just after the wrecks. Someone here on tnet I think told me that one of his descendants lived on the Treasure Coast years ago, but I can't recall any details.

 

[ARC]

Genealogy is probably easier to look up now since I wrote my Treasure Galleons book. I'm amazed each year how much more is available online. Problem is, most is in Spanish, so that will make it harder if you don't speak Spanish (I don't, though I've learned to read it pretty well by now).

Somewhere on tnet I think is a list of passengers from Ubilla's ship(s). I recall at least one or two of the marquis' sons were aboard, but I don't know their fate. I do know the fate of Echeverz & three of his sons in later years. Definitely had a rough time in the years just after the wrecks. Someone here on tnet I think told me that one of his descendants lived on the Treasure Coast years ago, but I can't recall any details.

Well... might need to start with French ... heh

Beings the surviving Captain was French

 

[treshuntintom]

morning TM104A.been trying to reach you.can't reply for some reason(me being dumb most likely}.I have a Haskins report in original binder.
please contact me with your phone number please.Morning Diverlynn,Aquanut,Galleon Hunter and rest of you guys and gals.Tom

 

[aquanut]

This was published earlier on this forum. A partial list of those that perished.

 

[IDXMonster]

Are there still 4-5 ships out of 11 that haven’t been claimed so far? I was just watching Josh Gates again(I know I know) and it seemed a few of the wrecks hadn’t been validated yet? Perhaps the ones which weren’t AS loaded down got pushed further in the direction the storm was going before they broke up? I got to watch Gary Drayton go magnet fishing too so there’s that....but no treasure is worth losing my life over by getting attacked by an alligator....and,the hoops these salvage operations have to go through are just unreal sometimes. Trying to backtrace ship locations through handed down family history might work...but who knows how many skimmers have been out to these things and taken treasure before they were even documented? So many questions....and such a big ocean. It’s inconceivable that the Spanish had collected that much treasure,and that these Central American cultures even had it in the first place to take,if that’s indeed where it really came from. Fascinating....

 

[RTR]

^^^ With 60 hurricanes (in that area) w/in the last 300 years the ships could be anyplace .

 

[ropesfish]

Start reading here:
http://digitalcollections.fiu.edu/tequesta/files/1966/66_1_02.pdf

and then here:
The Official Website Dedicated to Commemorating the 300th Anniversary of the 1715 Fleet Disaster 1715 to 2015 - 1715 Fleet Society

and then here is a good bit about what happened after:
https://www.historytoday.com/david-wilson/1715-plate-fleet-and-rise-pirates

 

[ROBOTCOP13]

Genealogy is probably easier to look up now since I wrote my Treasure Galleons book. I'm amazed each year how much more is available online. Problem is, most is in Spanish, so that will make it harder if you don't speak Spanish (I don't, though I've learned to read it pretty well by now).

Somewhere on tnet I think is a list of passengers from Ubilla's ship(s). I recall at least one or two of the marquis' sons were aboard, but I don't know their fate. I do know the fate of Echeverz & three of his sons in later years. Definitely had a rough time in the years just after the wrecks. Someone here on tnet I think told me that one of his descendants lived on the Treasure Coast years ago, but I can't recall any details.

During one of Sir Robert Marx's lecture he mentioned that his wife Jennifer may be a descendant of one of the original salvagers of the 1715 fleet.


I appreciated the list of passengers provided by Aquanut. The names of the women passengers could they be tied to family coat of arms that may contain the Flag of the Cross of Burgundy?

 

[whydahdiver]

The 1715 fleet also got Sam Bellamy and his XO Paul Williams started on their pirate careers cause after they failed to salvage any Spanish treasure they "went on the account" so thank you 1715!


Whydahdiver

 

[grossmusic]

The 1715 fleet also got Sam Bellamy and his XO Paul Williams started on their pirate careers cause after they failed to salvage any Spanish treasure they "went on the account" so thank you 1715!

YEP!
Now we're speaking my language!
(I was just rewriting one of my screenplay scenes with Bellamy vs. Jennings when I saw this post.)

Bellamy & Williams didn't just go on the account - they got their start with Jennings then double-crossed him a few months after he took the 87,000 pesos from Salmon at the wreck sites, some of which may very well have made its way onto the Whydah & gone down with her.

And Bellamy & Williams' first prize ship Marianne may actually have a very loose tie to at least one 1715 ship if not two (Hampton Court & Grifon).

Wondering if anyone else has ever made the same connections.

 

[ROBOTCOP13]

I went to the last Sedgwick coin auction in Orlando in November and met Barry Clifton. He talked about discovering the Whydah. He had xray pictures of encrusted objects. A couple of 8 reales from the Whydah dated 1715 sold for $10K and $13K. The same coins found in Florida would be about $350 to $400 each. Talk about the value of provenance.