1723 WOODS HIBERNIA * CW ARTILLERY BUTTON

HEAVYMETALNUT · Nov 27, 2011

Sniffy drove down & snatched me up and headed down to Rebel's neck of the woods.focused mainly on 3 sites.the 1st one gave up the CW Artillery button(young & smith co new york backmark) and was real trashy.snapped a picture of a tonka truck tree along the way never seen anything like this before in my life :laughing7:

next site gave up quite a few buttons , a 1723 woods hibernia copper & a silver 47 rosie.
3 rd site with all the myrtle was pretty trashy and with a lot of brass targets & modern trash there.
question...the button with missing face came out of the hibernia site.was wondering what kind of front this had? lead filled front or pewter? :icon_scratch:

timekiller · Nov 28, 2011

Good morning Dave, :coffee2:

Your button in question from what I have learned finding that type would be from very early sites.There's a few kinds like them.Some are hollow cooper & some are solid lead filled.The lead filled ones are more like the one you posted with the drilled eye shank.They only show on my oldest sites,I think they very easy date to the at least late 17th century.I've found them among other items that would date to that.Also if you try to look them up only thing that comes close would be ones on the UK site in the Later Medieval (11th-15thC) part.I think you may be in a site that has quite a few periods of time being used from the coin,saddle pommel,& button may just be stuff deeper there.At any rate your doing very well man with plenty of nice relics on a regular basis. :headbang:

Take Care,
Pete, :hello:

Only place to find them type buttons is in this part,
http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/ukdfddata/showcat.php?cat=124

steelheadwill · Nov 28, 2011

HEAVYMETALNUT said:
steelheadwill said:

Got some real nice stuff there!
LOVE Georges beak
dish button is rather odd, maybe just molded like that
I found two that are somewhat similar in shape...
Congrats on the great Colonial to CW Finds

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I coulda swore i seen a post sometime here about these colonial buttons being lead or pewter filled on the face. the one on the left you can clearly see the remains of lead or pewter.they were definitely filled at some point.i guess they popped out in time.
please somebody chime in about these types of buttons

Now I see clearly, That's a new type to me... certainly early :icon_scratch:

HEAVYMETALNUT · Nov 28, 2011

Timekiller said:
Good morning Dave, Your button in question from what I have learned finding that type would be from very early sites.There's a few kinds like them.Some are hollow cooper & some are solid lead filled.The lead filled ones are more like the one you posted with the drilled eye shank.They only show on my oldest sites,I think they very easy date to the at least late 17th century.I've found them among other items that would date to that.Also if you try to look them up only thing that comes close would be ones on the UK site in the Later Medieval (11th-15thC) part.I think you may be in a site that has quite a few periods of time being used from the coin,saddle pommel,& button may just be stuff deeper there.At any rate your doing very well man with plenty of nice relics on a regular basis.
Take Care,
Pete,
Only place to find them type buttons is in this part,
http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/ukdfddata/showcat.php?cat=124

thanks Pete! this is exactly the response i was looking for.very much appreciated.thanks for the kind words as well!

HISPAN · Nov 28, 2011

Nice Eagle Button ...congrats ! :thumbsup:

kuger · Nov 28, 2011

Your Artillery button pre dates the C.W.............Young & Smith supplied many of the buttons for the Mexican War too!!I have dug the one piece variant

Young, Smith & Company operated in New York from approximately 1830 to around 1858. Backmarks from the partnership generally bear both names but in either order. W H Smith also sold buttons bearing his name solely.

allen · Nov 28, 2011

from the looks of those finds you had yourself a great day of detecting !!!

The Rebel · Nov 28, 2011

Nice Job Dave. We had a awesome day to be out. Was nice to meet Jess.

The CW Button & The Hibernia are sweet!

See ya soon buddy,
Roger

Steve in PA · Nov 28, 2011

A nice group of finds there :thumbsup:

I would love to find one of those Woods Hibernia coppers!

I have found a number of those concave button backs over the years, but the fronts seem more difficult to find for some reason. I have found one front and it fits perfectly to one of my backs. I have found them on sites that date from the 1750's to the 1770's here in Pennsylvania.

HEAVYMETALNUT · Nov 28, 2011

Steve in PA said:
A nice group of finds there I would love to find one of those Woods Hibernia coppers!

I have found a number of those concave button backs over the years, but the fronts seem more difficult to find for some reason. I have found one front and it fits perfectly to one of my backs. I have found them on sites that date from the 1750's to the 1770's here in Pennsylvania.

thanks for that info

flatbuttonman · Dec 15, 2011

HEAVYMETALNUT said:
Sniffy drove down & snatched me up and headed down to Rebel's neck of the woods.focused mainly on 3 sites.the 1st one gave up the CW Artillery button(young & smith co new york backmark) and was real trashy.snapped a picture of a tonka truck tree along the way never seen anything like this before in my life
next site gave up quite a few buttons , a 1723 woods hibernia copper & a silver 47 rosie.
3 rd site with all the myrtle was pretty trashy and with a lot of brass targets & modern trash there.
question...the button with missing face came out of the hibernia site.was wondering what kind of front this had? lead filled front or pewter?

Great Hunt!! nice Eagle A, and i love the flat buttons nice job. thanks for saving history one relic at a time.
flatbuttonman

CRUSADER · Dec 17, 2011

Steve in PA said:
A nice group of finds there I would love to find one of those Woods Hibernia coppers!

I have found a number of those concave button backs over the years, but the fronts seem more difficult to find for some reason. I have found one front and it fits perfectly to one of my backs. I have found them on sites that date from the 1750's to the 1770's here in Pennsylvania.

Agreed, these cast composite two-piece copper-alloy buttons with integral drill shanks have a large timeframe from the 17th C-18th C :icon_thumright:

I find roughly the same amount of tops as bottoms but in ploughed land I rarely get them complete

Anyway, you have an early site - the saddle pommel is a find I have never had :icon_thumright:

Nooberz · Dec 17, 2011

Great finds HMN!!

steelheadwill · Dec 17, 2011

I'm back with a question :help:

The oval 'buckle' like item to the left of the teapot in your hand group photo,
Do you know if there is a specific name for this?
I dug one with soldered attachment points, missing bar & chape/tongue,
but otherwise looks identical.
any info is appreciated :wink:

JW15 · Dec 17, 2011

Sweet finds as usual man, good pics too!! :headbang:

Keep it up. :thumbsup:

HEAVYMETALNUT · Dec 17, 2011

steelheadwill said:
I'm back with a question
The oval 'buckle' like item to the left of the teapot in your hand group photo,
Do you know if there is a specific name for this?
I dug one with soldered attachment points, missing bar & chape/tongue,
but otherwise looks identical.
any info is appreciated

cool i think they call them sash buckles

kuger · Dec 17, 2011

That is a great back mark...the Young and Smith.....seein how you never acknowledge when I give info,I dont know if you seen the history...

steelheadwill · Dec 18, 2011

HEAVYMETALNUT said:
steelheadwill said:

I'm back with a question
The oval 'buckle' like item to the left of the teapot in your hand group photo,
Do you know if there is a specific name for this?
I dug one with soldered attachment points, missing bar & chape/tongue,
but otherwise looks identical.
any info is appreciated

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cool i think they call them sash buckles