1793 Bermuda copper etc

[Hunthicks]

Got out for my first real hunt in almost a month. Managed about 3 hours of hunting, the 3 KM walk to the site was a bit tiring as it was!
Finds were a 1793 Bermuda copper, crusty copper, 1894? Canada LC, 1938 small cent, couple flat buttons, fired musketball and the other usual stuff. The bermuda copper was one of the better coppers I've found this year condition wise. I really expect this site to produce some silver, up to 11 coppers so far!!

 

[johnnyi]

Really cool find! Considering that as few as 48,000 of these coppers were produced, I'd imagine this coin is considered rare?

 

[allen]

that is one awesome looking coin !!!

 

[West Jersey Detecting]

Really cool find! Considering that as few as 48,000 of these coppers were produced, I'd imagine this coin is considered rare?

Johnny,

Here is the copy of the rarity scale for early Cents. The numbers for colonials may be different, but I doubt that 48K would be considered rare for this type of coin. Keep in mind that it is not the number minted, but the SURVIVING POPULATION that affects rarity.

Used primarily in PATTERN coinage and early cents, it is used to estimate the surviving POPULATION of a coin. Specically:
R-8 Estimated 1-3 known (Unique or Nearly Unique)
R-7 Estimated 4-12 known (Extremely Rare)
R-6 Estimated 13-30 known (Very Rare)
R-5 Estimated 31-75 known (Rare)
R-4 Estimated 76-200 known (Very Scarce)
R-3 Estimated 201-500 known (Scarce)
R-2 Estimated 501-1,250 known (Uncommon)
R-1 Over 1,251 known (Common)

HC, that is the first Bermuda Cent I have seen dug, and it is a beauty. You have a great spot there, with a chance to find a "Hogge" Copper!

I found the following info on the Notre Dame site that can help you ID the variety of the coin:
The coin is found in two basic varieties, with either a single tip or a split (fork tongue or double tip) pennant flying atop the mast. However Sportack has also identified a single pennant with an extraneous "tag" of metal above the pennant so that it appears to be a split pennant and a "botched" pennant that appears to be single but is actually split under magnification. Sportack has identified eight obverse dies and five reverse dies found in ten combinations. His preliminary census documents 90 extant specimens. There are also some proofs as well as several restrike varieties in gold, silver, copper, aluminum, gilt and pewter with some minor variants and some mules created by the London diesinker W. J. Taylor between 1862 and 1880.

For more info on the 1793 Bermuda Copper click here: http://www.coins.nd.edu/ColCoin/ColCoinIntros/Bermuda.intro.html

Congrats on a great find!
Neil

 

[johnnyi]

Really cool find! Considering that as few as 48,000 of these coppers were produced, I'd imagine this coin is considered rare?

Johnny,

Here is the copy of the rarity scale for early Cents. The numbers for colonials may be different, but I doubt that 48K would be considered rare for this type of coin. Keep in mind that it is not the number minted, but the SURVIVING POPULATION that affects rarity.

Used primarily in PATTERN coinage and early cents, it is used to estimate the surviving POPULATION of a coin. Specically:
R-8 Estimated 1-3 known (Unique or Nearly Unique)
R-7 Estimated 4-12 known (Extremely Rare)
R-6 Estimated 13-30 known (Very Rare)
R-5 Estimated 31-75 known (Rare)
R-4 Estimated 76-200 known (Very Scarce)
R-3 Estimated 201-500 known (Scarce)
R-2 Estimated 501-1,250 known (Uncommon)
R-1 Over 1,251 known (Common)

HC, that is the first Bermuda Cent I have seen dug, and it is a beauty. You have a great spot there, with a chance to find a "Hogge" Copper!

I found the following info on the Notre Dame site that can help you ID the variety of the coin:
The coin is found in two basic varieties, with either a single tip or a split (fork tongue or double tip) pennant flying atop the mast. However Sportack has also identified a single pennant with an extraneous "tag" of metal above the pennant so that it appears to be a split pennant and a "botched" pennant that appears to be single but is actually split under magnification. Sportack has identified eight obverse dies and five reverse dies found in ten combinations. His preliminary census documents 90 extant specimens. There are also some proofs as well as several restrike varieties in gold, silver, copper, aluminum, gilt and pewter with some minor variants and some mules created by the London diesinker W. J. Taylor between 1862 and 1880.

For more info on the 1793 Bermuda Copper click here: http://www.coins.nd.edu/ColCoin/ColCoinIntros/Bermuda.intro.html

Congrats on a great find!
Neil

Thanks Neil. Yes I see that a proof was estimated between 250-300 so I guess there are many that survived. Still it is as you said, a great find, and unusual to dig up to boot!

 

[Hunthicks]

Thanks for the info Neil, I do have a pretty good spot going on - now just a few nice silver and my year would be complete!!

 

[Iron Patch]

That is a very cool find! First I've seen dug.

 

[Kirk PA]

It seems like every Canadian detectorist is showing Iron Patch how to dig. Awesome Bermuda copper. That is the 1st I have ever seen dug, too.

Kirk

 

[jgas]

That is one heck of a keeper. Congrats jgas

 

[Iron Patch]

It seems like every Canadian detectorist is showing Iron Patch how to dig. Awesome Bermuda copper. That is the 1st I have ever seen dug, too.

Kirk

That's a good thing, showing you who's boss.... 1812 baby!

 

[ironhorse]

that's one I've never seen before, I like the different ones, good going!

 

[hogge]

First one I've seen. Congrats..Hogge

 

[The Patriot]

WTG hunthicks...told you that you were coming close to a nice find... I still think your going to stun a few of us here shortly....

 

[Iron Patch]

WTG hunthicks...told you that you were coming close to a nice find... I still think your going to stun a few of us here shortly....

I doubt any of us will ever find one of those. Just in that sense it's pretty cool.

 

[Rusted_Iron]

Very nice on the Bermuda copper, that's an elegant looking coin as well.

 

[Hunthicks]

WTG hunthicks...told you that you were coming close to a nice find... I still think your going to stun a few of us here shortly....

I'm tryin'!! Come next spring when I can actually drive to a few sites I think I'll have a little better luck!

 

[romeo-1]

Great find HH! That's a new one to me!

 

[HomesteadHunter]

Good to see you posting on the site, you definitely found a beauty of a copper!. I didn't know a Bermuda copper even existed, kinda makes you wonder how it found its way here. I hope you can keep hitting the fields, you are on some great sites. I am expecting a 1700s silver very soon, its only a matter of time.

James.
HomesteadHunter.

 

[Hunthicks]

Good to see you posting on the site, you definitely found a beauty of a copper!. I didn't know a Bermuda copper even existed, kinda makes you wonder how it found its way here. I hope you can keep hitting the fields, you are on some great sites. I am expecting a 1700s silver very soon, its only a matter of time.

James.
HomesteadHunter.

I'm hoping the silver finds me soon!! I had no idea a Bermuda copper existed either, I saw the George III first and when I turned to check the date was surprised to see a boat!!

 

[Brian(upstateNY-Central Fla.)]

thats a very cool find