2 more rifle cartridge IDs needed

[crazyjarhead]

2 more rifle cartridge ID's needed

I found 2 more different casings today at the 1820's homesite I have been hunting. The first one resembles the 44 cal. Henry I found last week ,but the markings are different. The large one says CR on top and C-90 on the bottom. The smaller one says WRA Co. and 25.20 WCF. I hope you can see the sizes next to the ruler alright. Thanks for the help. Ron

 

[crazyjarhead]

Re: 2 more rifle cartridge ID's needed

Found the WRA . Now what does the numbers mean?


http://cartridgecollectors.org/headstampcodes.htm

 

[detector de metales]

Re: 2 more rifle cartridge ID's needed

Not many "Beveled Head" Cartridges out there...
Have found this site but I don't think this is a match

http://www.oldammo.com/july06.htm

J2

 

[crazyjarhead]

Re: 2 more rifle cartridge ID's needed

Not many "Beveled Head" Cartridges out there...
Have found this site but I don't think this is a match

http://www.oldammo.com/july06.htm

J2

Yeah, they are some old ones. I'll e-mail that guy that you put the link for me above

 

[detector de metales]

Re: 2 more rifle cartridge ID's needed

He's actually good at getting info .. browse thru the pics.. Look's like a 44 like you thought
The WRA's are also in there..
J2

 

[plainsman]

Re: 2 more rifle cartridge ID's needed

.25x20 would be .25 caliber backed by 20 grains of blackpowder I think.

 

[detector de metales]

Re: 2 more rifle cartridge ID's needed

W.C.F. Winchester Center Fire

 

[seger98]

Re: 2 more rifle cartridge ID's needed

Ron, here's a good website for shotgun shell casings, covers alot. Thing I like about it is that it gives you dates when the companies were in business so you can kinda date the site your working


http://members.shaw.ca/cartridge-corner/shotgun.htm

Chris

 

[kuger]

Re: 2 more rifle cartridge ID's needed

25-20 is the caliber, like 30-06.I think it is the length and diameter of the actual bullet.

 

[stoney56]

Re: 2 more rifle cartridge ID's needed

The .25/20 was introduced in the mid 1890's and generally was chambered in the Winchester 1892 rifle and the Marlin lever action. Was designed as more of a varmint cartridge than a deer cartridge.

 

[TxTim]

Re: 2 more rifle cartridge ID's needed

Nice finds!
I have a .25-20
You can still buy shells for them.

 

[crazyjarhead]

Re: 2 more rifle cartridge ID's needed

I browsed through them, but aren't the headstamps pictured for shotguns? I didn't see any rifle cartridges, just what WRA stood for

 

[detector de metales]

Re: 2 more rifle cartridge ID's needed

That site is solely for Shotgun heads

I usually refer to
http://cartridgecollectors.org/
or the one I posted earlier..
I did find something about a c-90.. but it references a gun..
10.4 x 47 R Italian Vetterli (M70) C.D. C-90
here is the link
http://www.armsbid.com/7-ctgs.htm
Good Luck!

J2

 

[crazyjarhead]

Re: 2 more rifle cartridge ID's needed

That site is solely for Shotgun heads

I usually refer to
http://cartridgecollectors.org/
or the one I posted earlier..
I did find something about a c-90.. but it references a gun..
10.4 x 47 R Italian Vetterli (M70) C.D. C-90
here is the link
http://www.armsbid.com/7-ctgs.htm
Good Luck!

J2

Thanks for your help.

 

[diggerdan]

Re: 2 more rifle cartridge ID's needed

25-20 was for sure 25 cal 20 grains black powder. Some similar designations were 44-40, 38-40, 30-30, 45-70 ect. The 30-06 stood/stands for 30 cal model or year 06, believe it was first carteridge to deviate from prior caliber and powder charge designations.

Believe WRA = Winchester Repeating Arms
" WCF= Winchester Center Fire

 

[dkw]

Re: 2 more rifle cartridge ID's needed

The 30-06 stood/stands for 30 cal model or year 06, believe it was first carteridge to deviate from prior caliber and powder charge designations.

The 30-03 beat it by three years. There were many others that were not designated by the caliber and powder charge before it, though.

 

[dkw]

Re: 2 more rifle cartridge ID's needed

If you could give us a measurement of the case mouth and case length on the C.R. brass, it would help the ID process greatly. It looks a fair bit smaller than .44 caliber to me.

 

[diggerdan]

Re: 2 more rifle cartridge ID's needed

The 30-06 stood/stands for 30 cal model or year 06, believe it was first carteridge to deviate from prior caliber and powder charge designations.

The 30-03 beat it by three years. There were many others that were not designated by the caliber and powder charge before it, though.

thanks, had never heard of the 30-03.

 

[dkw]

Re: 2 more rifle cartridge ID's needed

thanks, had never heard of the 30-03.

I'm just a LITTLE bit of a gun nerd.

 

[trey525]

Re: 2 more rifle cartridge ID's needed

25x20 is the calibur wcf is winchester center fire the c.r illhave to think about that one for awhile

trey525