2nd trip to new site produces BOATLOAD of early colonial artifacts and coins!!!

Bill D. (VA)

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After having some difficulty securing permission to hunt this site 2 weeks ago, I again went to visit the owner who had promised to call me but didn't. The reception was a little cool, and she was not too interested in the finds I brought her, so things were not looking too good at that point. But after finding 2 cut silvers and other early artifacts during the first hunt I was determined to not accept no for an answer. Eventually I was able to twist her arm and have her agree to let me hunt that day (yesterday). Since the weather was warm, and not being sure if this would be my last hunt at the site, I pounded the place hard for 6+ hours. I started out where I left off the previous time, but the finds were rather paltry. Then a slight rise about a 100 yards behind the iron patch caught my attention. As I neared that area I started seeing a few brick frags and hearing an increasing amount of iron. Soon I was pulling out a couple of buttons, and shortly after I got a nice high toned signal that I thought might have a chance to be a copper. But I was floored when I saw a huge silver coin laying on top of the dirt after I flipped it out of the hole. Turned out to be a 1782 two reale in great shape. At that point I slowed down even further and began to dig button after button. As I proceeded to grid the area the buttons seemed to be getting older. First they transitioned to tombacs, then to some pre-1700 buttons. While in that area I investigated a deep iron signal as I always do, and recovered a large portion of an early iron pot with all 3 legs intact. It came from over 2 feet down. Later I decided to hit a sloped area near the initial iron patch I hit on the first hunt, and ran into a large area of what I like to call "machine gun" iron. The ground in that area was also chock-full of oyster shells making it very difficult to get any penetration with the shovel. I made a few more recoveries here including a nice 1694 W&M copper. I also dug this cool looking large brass piece with a cherub face along with other designs. This could be from a 17th century sword guard or possibly a harness mount. I also recovered a nice early navy button with a treble gilt backmark. Just before leaving I ventured across the adjacent dirt lane and discovered the heavy iron and shells extended well into the next field. But it was getting late and I was exhausted, especially since this was my 5th consecutive day of digging. More posts to follow about those adventures. Anyway, there seems to be plenty of other promising spots on this site, but not sure if I'll get the opportunity to return unless I can come up with a new angle to help convince the owner to let me do some more digging there. At least it was fun while it lasted.
 

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Pick one and its a banner for sure!
 

I would have no hesitation in offering some cash for the right to hunt, no telling what you might find...

Next time you go back take her a plant or flowers, if she says no offer $10.00 for the day to hunt, if they accept then think about an offer for the season.......






American by birth, Patriot by choice.

I would rather die standing on my two feet defending our Constitution than live a lifetime on my knees......
 

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Very nice!! I'm glad you got the chance and were rewarded. Hopefully she will let you return again as I can't imagine how much more may be out there.
You don't find stuff like that here in Colorado!
 

Man that's a lot of nice stuff, outstanding finds..
 

Smart move on pounding that site HARD, Bill. Any of us would have done the same. Glad it paid off very nicely for you. Congrats my friend!
 

I would have no hesitation in offering some cash for the right to hunt, no telling what you might find... Next time you go back take her a plant or flowers, if she says no offer $10.00 for the day to hunt, if they accept then think about an offer for the season....... American by birth, Patriot by choice. I would rather die standing on my two feet defending our Constitution than live a lifetime on my knees......

The owner is a well-to-do woman who owns a large and historic property. Offering cash or anything else would not be well-received and would be totally inappropriate in my opinion. The only way in is to ignite her interest in the history of her property. I've already given her a copy of all my research materials (much of which she was unaware of) and presented some of my finds to her from my previous hunt there, but she was not really that interested. Not sure where to go from here, but I do plan to go visit her one more time in hopes that she'll have a change of heart. And I need to do it soon as the fields may be planted within the next 2-4 weeks. Wish me luck.
 

Great hunt Bill. As far as I know the only date the English William and Mary 1/2d can be is 1694.
 

First off, congratulations on some exceptional finds. I would be chomping at the bit to get back to that site. You are rarely get resistance when asking for permission, so she must be one tough cookie! Have you considered simply mailing her a timely, hand-written note telling her how much you enjoyed meeting her that day and that you are grateful for the opportunity she gave you. Tell here that in the brief time you spent there you were able to learn more about the history of the area, something that you are very passionate about. In the letter I would also leave my contact phone number. By doing this, at least you've left some good will. This might be helpful in the future if you ask her again for further permission.
 

The owner is a well-to-do woman who owns a large and historic property. Offering cash or anything else would not be well-received and would be totally inappropriate in my opinion. The only way in is to ignite her interest in the history of her property. I've already given her a copy of all my research materials (much of which she was unaware of) and presented some of my finds to her from my previous hunt there, but she was not really that interested. Not sure where to go from here, but I do plan to go visit her one more time in hopes that she'll have a change of heart. And I need to do it soon as the fields may be planted within the next 2-4 weeks. Wish me luck.

Plants or flowers still appropriate, you already stated she has no interesting in what you find... ...






American by birth, Patriot by choice.

I would rather die standing on my two feet defending our Constitution than live a lifetime on my knees......
 

We all have to remember what a privilege it is when someone allows us to hunt a site like that one. That property is obviously a very sacred place to her and the fact that she let you hunt on it says that she thinks you're a good person with high character and she trusts you. Hopefully she will let you come back and hunt some more.
But we always need to be sensitive of people's true feelings and realize there are more important things than getting to be able to hunt a site. If someone doesn't really want us on there property we never want to bug them or push them into allowing us on there property when that's not truly what they want. Bill I am in no way directing this at you my friend. It's just a general comment as I think sometimes people get something in their head and lose site of everything else. I would never offer to pay someone to hunt there property as I think it would be offensive to somebody who owns an important, historically significant site. They care about respect, honesty and trust.
Bill she obviously believes you to be they type of person that she thinks worthy of sharing an amazing property with. That speaks volumes about the type of person you are Bill and were all lucky to have people like you representing our great hobby. I wish you all the best and if it's meant to be its meant to be my friend. All the best, Abe
 

WOW Bill, you were a digging machine! I love the Navy button, the W&M copper, the beautiful 2 reale...I love it all! That was a hell of day. I don't think the cherub would have been on a sword but you never know. They usually adorned candlesticks but it could have been on anything. I would love to see that William and Mary in person since I'll probably never find one myself.
 

WOW Bill, you were a digging machine! I love the Navy button, the W&M copper, the beautiful 2 reale...I love it all! That was a hell of day. I don't think the cherub would have been on a sword but you never know. They usually adorned candlesticks but it could have been on anything. I would love to see that William and Mary in person since I'll probably never find one myself.

Thanks Joey. And don't worry - with the type of sites you're getting yourself into it will just be a matter of time before you get a W&M not to mention many other awesome finds.
 

what a sweet silver coin you have there :occasion14:
 

While living in Missouri I got access to hunt several pieces of prime property to indian artifact hunt by paying the owners a small fee...






American by birth, Patriot by choice.

I would rather die standing on my two feet defending our Constitution than live a lifetime on my knees......
 

OUTSTANDING relics Bill. :thumbsup: I wish you continued success at that spot. Sounds like a touchy situation. Perhaps she would like a custom made Modern Miner "Relic Retreat" birdhouse? :tongue3:

Great post!
-Doug-
 

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OUTSTANDING relics Bill. :thumbsup: I wish you continued success at that spot. Sounds like a touchy situation. Perhaps she would like a custom made Modern Miner "Relic Retreat" birdhouse? :tongue3:

Great post!
-Doug-

Wow - that's an amazing little project Doug. You must be quite talented.
 

Great finds Bill! That 2 reale is sweet! I also really like the cherub faced thing, really interesting. Can't wait to see what else you guys find.
 

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