a couple what is its buttons etc.. Enfield bullet mold? help please

[carpetbagger]

a couple what is it's buttons etc.. Enfield bullet mold? help please

was out a couple of times over the last several weeks in a few old historic areas and found some things that i need help identifying, any help would be appreciated. this button has a pic of an Indian face no back marks, too crusted.

another button top w/h no backing at all pic is a little different.

some sort of gun part or mold?

buckle, brooch, and metal tube?

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

Re: a couple what is it's buttons etc.. Enfield bullet mold? help please

Can't say for sure, but the bullet molds I have used in the past are closed at one end so the lead stays in the mold. That cavity is opened at both ends. Big stretch would be maybe a pin was inserted to form a hollow cavity (hollow-point) - but that would put it past C.W. usage (also non-military). Further, a mold that thin walled would overheat on the third or forth cast and need to be rested. Note the size of the block on the image of a mold vs . your part. When a mold gets too hot the lead gets a "frosted" surface (too cold and it causes wrinkles or voids in the ball/bullet).

But I have seen some thin walled molds designed to be used over coals as in a camp fire, so I can't rule it out on wall thickness alone . . . but with the "flow through" design?

 

[ivan salis]

Re: a couple what is it's buttons etc.. Enfield bullet mold? help please

I think the ends broken off

 

[Ed-NH]

Re: a couple what is it's buttons etc.. Enfield bullet mold? help please

The little round thing looks like a grommet for a leather piece. The buckle is a harness buckle from horse tack equipment. I have found those in 1800's sites. That button is awesome!!

 

[carpetbagger]

Re: a couple what is it's buttons etc.. Enfield bullet mold? help please

Nice finds, Coolbeans, The bullet mold part is interesting. Some of the gun guys on here are good and will probably get you a caliber and date from your measurments, Theres quite a bunch listed on eBay but couldn't find an exact match. heres one from 1884 40-82 caliber thats similar. I have found old empty brass marked that caliber.

if the mold is say about .58 cal --a civil war era enfield mold would fit the bill nicely as would its general bullet shape shown by the mold--an enfield rifle is listed as 577 cal --mold roughly measured .58 cal --(very close) hot dog seems like a weiner to me. --- Ivan

You guys are a wealth of information Thanks for the ID, now if i could just find a picture of one to match it up, looks like i'll be at the computer for a while.

 

[carpetbagger]

Re: a couple what is it's buttons etc.. Enfield bullet mold? help please

Can't say for sure, but the bullet molds I have used in the past are closed at one end so the lead stays in the mold. That cavity is opened at both ends. Big stretch would be maybe a pin was inserted to form a hollow cavity (hollow-point) - but that would put it past C.W. usage (also non-military). Further, a mold that thin walled would overheat on the third or forth cast and need to be rested. Note the size of the block on the image of a mold vs . your part. When a mold gets too hot the lead gets a "frosted" surface (too cold and it causes wrinkles or voids in the ball/bullet).
But I have seen some thin walled molds designed to be used over coals as in a camp fire, so I can't rule it out on wall thickness alone . . . but with the "flow through" design?

Charlie, Charlie, Charlie, this is me , this is you raining on my parade
me again, . Help me out here will ya? by the way upstate N.Y? where about? Bufffalo is my home town, been here in S.C for about 7 years now.
Jeff

 

[carpetbagger]

Re: a couple what is it's buttons etc.. Enfield bullet mold? help please

The little round thing looks like a grommet for a leather piece. The buckle is a harness buckle from horse tack equipment. I have found those in 1800's sites. That button is awesome!!

Thanks Ed, the grommet looking thing is actually a brooch? not sure if I'm spelling it right. it has the small hook on back for the pin to rest in and on the other side it has the cradle that held the pin at one time. I should have listed a picture of both sides.

 

[ivan salis]

Re: a couple what is it's buttons etc.. Enfield bullet mold? help please

look at the above photo of a bullet mold--I think what you got is a good bit of a " broken" enfeild bullet mold body --thus the "open" end (unless it was a special type hollow point mold of some sort)-- PLUS it helps explain they it was discarded -- IT WAS BROKEN--- tada . Ivan

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

Re: a couple what is it's buttons etc.. Enfield bullet mold? help please

Can't say for sure, but the bullet molds I have used in the past are closed at one end so the lead stays in the mold. That cavity is opened at both ends. Big stretch would be maybe a pin was inserted to form a hollow cavity (hollow-point) - but that would put it past C.W. usage (also non-military). Further, a mold that thin walled would overheat on the third or forth cast and need to be rested. Note the size of the block on the image of a mold vs . your part. When a mold gets too hot the lead gets a "frosted" surface (too cold and it causes wrinkles or voids in the ball/bullet).
But I have seen some thin walled molds designed to be used over coals as in a camp fire, so I can't rule it out on wall thickness alone . . . but with the "flow through" design?

Charlie, Charlie, Charlie, this is me , this is you raining on my parade
me again, . Help me out here will ya? by the way upstate N.Y? where about? Bufffalo is my home town, been here in S.C for about 7 years now.
Jeff

OK then, maybe it is a bullet mold that broke all the way across the thickest portion of the mold. Darned Confederate engineers. We don't want any wet parades. Guy had it in his pocket when he caught a cannon ball right in the in the . . . mold. Yeah, that's it! Or he bashed it with a rock because he was pi$$ed off that it got too hot to cast a good bullet and warped.

I's near a place called "Tunnel" about 15 miles North of Binghamton.