I apologize for the long wait on the response but I could not find the owner until today. I informed him who I was and asked for his permission to detect on his property and said he has had so much vandalism on the property that he does not allow anyone on the property for any reason. Kids have been going in there and having wild parties and smashing up the place and graffiti ed it. I thought I was about to get permission when I explained metal detecting to him but he decided against it. He said he has owned it for over 30 years and nobody has detected it to his knowledge. Sorry guys. PJ