All Lost Dutchman Mine Maps

[NativeOne]

Do any of the 63 Lost dutchman mine maps lead to anywhere other than the Superstition Mountains, if so what is the percentage out of the 63? http://www.thelostdutchmangoldmine.com/copper/thumbnails.php?album=3

 

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[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

HIO Native one: How many are based upon true facts, and how many upon previous maps?


Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[NativeOne]

This is quoted from a post on a recent article. michael paul hill wrote on Tuesday, Jul 20 at 06:48 PM »
How come "none of the white people" who look for this gold mine "ever ask" an Apache person or medicine about this mountain? It seems like the media "minimizes the connection that us Apache have with this mountain" and (hence) the reasons why careless people enter into this holy and sacred mountain to look for the "stone of the Creator which is gold?" Even though "we may be reluctant to answer" it "wouldn't hurt for you all to inquire about why this holy and sacred mountain consumes the hearts of men who are seeking material wealth instead of the holiness that this place is known for...especially to us Nnee (Apache)."


Read more: KCSG Television - 3 Hikers on Treasure Hunt in Superstitions Feared Dead http://www.kcsg.com/view/full_story...on-Treasure-Hunt-in-Superstitions-Feared-Dead

 

[NativeOne]

"It seems like the media "minimizes the connection that us Apache have with this mountain" Why on Gods green earth would the media or "anyone" minimize that connection? And who would gain by minimizing this connection, and what would they gain other than dead or missing prospector treasure hunters. Do these ends justify their means?

 

[NativeOne]

I found this document with the aboved named "Michael Hill San Carlos Apache." http://www.law.arizona.edu/depts/iplp/advocacy/chiricahua/documents/CAAUNPFIIBriefing.pdf

 

[NativeOne]

Maybe it is "time for all whites" to write letters to start asking questions about the connections of us Apache and the superstition mountains. Official Website of the Apache Nation Chamber of Commerce http://www.sancarlosapache.com/Attractions.htm

 

[NativeOne]

And if any one wants my opinion heres the real beef. The United States, Mexican and Spanish governments, along with the Church, engaged in
a transparent attempt to destroy the Chiricahua Apache people. Settlers and colonizers of
the above groups promoted the act of genocide against the Chiricahua and Apache people
as well as other Indigenous Peoples in the United States, Mexico, Canada and South
America in efforts to exploit their lands, territories and natural resources. These States
"have yet to apologize, admit, or reconcile these gross human rights abuses to the peoples
they have committed these atrocities against."

 

[LM]

These States
"have yet to apologize, admit, or reconcile these gross human rights abuses to the peoples
they have committed these atrocities against."

That's probably because 100% of the perpetrators and 100% of the victims have been dead for a long, long time and there's no one left that needs to apologize, nor anyone left in need of an apology.

 

[NativeOne]

Santa Fe New Mexican Mr. Kemm did post in this forum, an "apology from the catholic church" but i have seen no one else publicly apologize for the atrocities, on this forum or any where else. I personally am neutral on this political can of worms, and just want to help bring resolve and healing to this old wound of Apache. Travis B

 

[NativeOne]

Some Apaches believe in "reincarnation" but most believe spirits included ancestors, animals, the four directions and natural forces.
Virtues in Apache tribes include hard work, keeping your word and generosity. "The reward for (good acts) was not a reward in the afterlife but a reward of good things in present-day life."

 

[Springfield]

These States
"have yet to apologize, admit, or reconcile these gross human rights abuses to the peoples they have committed these atrocities against."

That's probably because 100% of the perpetrators and 100% of the victims have been dead for a long, long time and there's no one left that needs to apologize, nor anyone left in need of an apology.

Yeah, they got screwed. But the Apaches did more than their share of screwing the other tribes in the southwest before the Mexicans or Whitey arrived. It's the way of humans - we screw others to get what they have, then someone else screws us to take it away. All of our forefathers are guilty and all of them have been victimized, one way or another. We'll eventually get ours too. In case you haven't noticed, there's not much justice in this world.

By the way, there's not one mention of the Superstitions in the links you've provided. Also, the first Anglos into Apacheria reported gold mining done in the Gila headwaters country by Mangus Coloradas and his people. They learned from the Mexicans that the 'holy metal' could be used as money to buy stuff with (The Marvelous Country, by Cozzens to start with).

 

[NativeOne]

"By the way, there's not one mention of the Superstitions in the links you've provided" The Apache sacred cave and the lost dutchmans mine are infact one and the same, and are under protection, and yes it is in the superstitions, and yes Mr. Kemm has pinpointed it. so how bout helping in returning those apache bones as this would be a good deed shown. Travis B The past is gone but the future is being made.

 

[NativeOne]

“This is the pain and suffering our people lived through. Many of our ancestors have never forgotten the sadness and unforgiving moments. It has been passed on to their children and generations thereafter.

“Is it any wonder that we are so deeply divided, not having dealt with the atrocities? We must cope with what actually happened to our ancestors, put it behind us, begin to heal, understand who we are and go forward together as a tribe and as Apaches.”
San Carlos Apache Crown Dancers
Taken at Mission San José de Tumacácori, Arizona.

 

[cactusjumper]

These States
"have yet to apologize, admit, or reconcile these gross human rights abuses to the peoples they have committed these atrocities against."

That's probably because 100% of the perpetrators and 100% of the victims have been dead for a long, long time and there's no one left that needs to apologize, nor anyone left in need of an apology.

Yeah, they got screwed. But the Apaches did more than their share of screwing the other tribes in the southwest before the Mexicans or Whitey arrived. It's the way of humans - we screw others to get what they have, then someone else screws us to take it away. All of our forefathers are guilty and all of them have been victimized, one way or another. We'll eventually get ours too. In case you haven't noticed, there's not much justice in this world.

By the way, there's not one mention of the Superstitions in the links you've provided. Also, the first Anglos into Apacheria reported gold mining done in the Gila headwaters country by Mangus Coloradas and his people. They learned from the Mexicans that the 'holy metal' could be used as money to buy stuff with (The Marvelous Country, by Cozzens to start with).

Springfield,

You are, of course, correct. My comment would be: The Apache "have yet to apologize, admit, or reconcile these gross human rights abuses to the peoples they have committed these atrocities against."

The Apache were the latest of the latecomers (Native Americans) into the Southwest, with Arizona being on the tail end of their invasion, somewhere around A.D. 1700. They arrived here by having to run from, being pushed by, the strong tribes and overpowering the weak ones along the way.

When the Apache apologize to the people they displaced by force, perhaps we should consider doing the same, although it's probably been done by the whites already. There was never a large presence of Apache in the Superstitions. I believe most of this talk is a modern-day invention.

Just one man's opinion.

Take care,

Joe

 

[NativeOne]

I believe most of this talk is a modern-day invention.

Just one man's opinion.

Take care,

Joe The Superstition mountains!

"You’ve got to start with the Apache." To the Apache, the Superstitions are a sacred place. It’s the home of their “Thunder God.”
And, that Thunder God did not welcome any trespassers. Only the Apache themselves were welcome in the Superstitions.

This Thunder God was so powerful and dangerous, the other local tribes stayed far away from his home. Those foolhardy enough to enter the Superstitions seldom came back out.
"The Apache has always believed only they can pass through the superstitions safely"

 

[NativeOne]

"You’ve got to start with the Apache."

 

[Springfield]

.... the Apache, the Superstitions are a sacred place. It’s the home of their “Thunder God.”
And, that Thunder God did not welcome any trespassers. Only the Apache themselves were welcome in the Superstitions.

This Thunder God was so powerful and dangerous, the other local tribes stayed far away from his home. Those foolhardy enough to enter the Superstitions seldom came back out.
"The Apache has always believed only they can pass through the superstitions safely"

Nice campfire story.

 

[Springfield]

...
i am shama chi moha
i am back !
i am tazza the lizard boy
son of ca ta ka
the cactus king
chief of chi coo mohaz toc
i am the dove and the raven
i am coo a caw tribe
....

Silly campfire story

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Sigh Springfield, BB, Me? I am just a bone fide SAINT.

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[Blindbowman]

Sigh Springfield, BB, Me? I am just a bone fide SAINT.

Don Jose de La Mancha
[/quolol if he can say he owns the mts .. then i can do some roll playing ...lol