Animas River, Colorado - HUGE Environmental Disaster!!!

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If you frequent the waters of the Animas, an EPA accident has released 1 million gallons of mining waste into the waterway.
Animas River fouled by 1 million gallons of contaminated mine water - The Denver Post

The La Plata County Sheriff's Office has closed the river from the San Juan County line – including Durango – to New Mexico. Authorities say they will re-evaluate the closure once the EPA tests are confirmed.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/08/us/wastewater-spill-in-colorado-turns-a-river-yellow.html?_r=0
The EPA spilled 1 million gallons of waste water - Business Insider

Be safe out there!!
 

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And "we" put up with this gustopo acts against our people???? Are Americans that stupid (like o claims) or do they just don't want to pull their heads out of the sand and see what really is happening to our Country?

Exactly, The majority of Americans will sit on the sidelines and watch. Then they ***** if it isn't to there liking. Look at all the PC BS in the news and how many Americans are stepping up and calling BS. (We) love to spew our opinions on social networks and bars but when it comes to getting together and demanding action (We) cow down and wait.
 

I know a couple people who live in crested Butte area....locally its all being blamed on historic mining from their point of view....they are not blaming epa at all...I tried to give them info and they weren't havin' it...blaming it on antiquated laws I.E. ...the mining act their attitude is that the EPA could never be bad...they are ski bums who work at resorts and depend on tourism. Like a lot of people in the area they prefer hand to mouth seasonal work...and have no concept of what the area used to actually do for our nation.
 

guess it all hinges on what media source you you tendd to favor, Liberals a afair and balnced sort, right
conservative go out of thier way to mislead the public in gereral
here have a gander at your fair and balance leftwing fruitcakes Chilton Ranch Lawsuit
your out of your mind if ya think it is done intentionally with conservatives, by the way been highbankin until my anlke injury been in a wheelchair for almost two months drivin me nuts two visit with dfg, NO CITATIONS don't have any permits

been blackball from WMA,

Individuals engaged or interested in otherwise lawful instream mining should be aware that other environmental laws may apply to these various other mining practices. Fish and Game Code section 5650, for example, prohibits the placement of materials deleterious to fish, including sand and gravel from outside of the current water level, into the river or stream. Further, Fish and Game Code section 1602 requires that any person notify CDFW before substantially diverting or obstructing the natural flow of, or substantially changing or using any material from the bed, channel or bank of any river, stream or lake. See additional related information.You should also know that various mining practices may be subject to the authority of the appropriate Regional Water Quality Control Board. If you have questions about the authority of the Regional Water Quality Control Board, or how to comply with any permitting requirements, please contact them directly.

Question: Can I use a highbanker or power sluice to recover gold? Answer: Yes, under the following conditions:



  1. The Fish and Game Code, the Clean Water Act, and the California Water Code prohibit you from discharging water and waste sediment from your highbanker or power sluice to an area such that it may enter a stream, river, lake, or other surface water body without a permit from the Regional Water Quality Control Board (Regional Water Board) responsible for the area where you’ll be mining. Currently there is no general permit available for discharges of water and waste sediment from highbankers or power sluices to streams, rivers, lakes, or other surface water bodies.SO SEND THIS TO wma,
and i would like to see solutions to MMAC, nothing but a bunch don't need more burecracies, i wrote scott not heard back, though he did invited me to call


I don't understand what was Kevin supporting....he said he and his wife were involved...and noticed at the end of the day that the local media spun what they wanted how they wanted....he didn't even mention a specific subject...just first hand experience....

Our own media shoots itself in the foot while its foot is in its mouth ...(forums...groups)......look at the mmac horrible idea but, on the forums..."miners" think its great cause they read about it on a mining forum....or WMA.....spreading misinformation about hibanking permits.....two times they have published articles that would give the impression that some new regulations have passed....and we must lend financial support for the fight...even though nothing has changed on paper for decades....

Sometimes(a lot) miners are the worst thing for miners.........and again I don't understand what Kevin said wrong and how he is now supporting liberal media? did I miss another comment somewhere?
 

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Same propaganda...."May be subject".......if you guys would understand the info that Barry posts and all the case law....the supreme courts standing on it....you would realize it us propaganda......THERE ARE NO NEW LAWS OR REGULATIONS
 

You were blackballed
 

Interesting to note that they would be pushing a Senate bill for right to regulate....if they had the right already ....would they?
 

Clay provides great insight and info, but fed law/ rights in California means nothing.

low turn out in opposition
 

But they do everyday....I think that is the point that is being missed?.....there are mines and mining in California operating right now not paying thousands of dollars in daily fee's...but I guess there are gonna be guys scared out of digging because they choose to only read and understand the wrong information. ...
 

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Well after reading the links Clay provided and letting them digest over night I feel that the four people that were "in charge" need to be brought before a grand jury to answer some hard questions about what happened on the site and just who made the decisions about how things were to be done. This site has the potential to make an even larger spill if the cleanup is not handled correctly. If the EPA leaves those four in their current position and an even larger spill happens down the road, then we as a country have no one to blame other than ourselves for not demanding that these people be brought before a judge to answer for their incompetence. As said before, toss them on the grill and see how long it is before they start pointing fingers up the chain of command.

The location of this "accident" puts it in a position to really mess up the water supply should an even larger spill happen. I'm NOT going to start screaming Agenda 21 like the video that was posted earlier was doing, but merely pointing out the possibility of some major damage being done if the cleanup of the mines in that area is not handled in a safe manner. The next accident could be large enough to shut down the water supply to a very large area of the southwest for a very long time.
 

Clay provides great insight and info, but fed law/ rights in California means nothing.

low turn out in opposition

You are mistaken about Federal water laws in California.

California water law enforcement and permitting is a function of the Federal Clean Water Act. The 401 permit is a Federal permit administered by the State of California. It is subject to the same laws and Supreme Court rulings as all other Federal law.

Read this.

Educate Yourself and Prosper!

Heavy Pans
 

You are mistaken about Federal water laws in California.

California water law enforcement and permitting is a function of the Federal Clean Water Act. The 401 permit is a Federal permit administered by the State of California. It is subject to the same laws and Supreme Court rulings as all other Federal law.

Read this.

Educate Yourself and Prosper!

Heavy Pans

I would say your both correct. Barry is correct in how it is supposed to be and 2c is correct in how it is. As long as Ca. agencies keep citing folks without regard to actual law or regulation and those that are cited have to bankrupt themselves to go thru the legal system all the way to the supreme court to get a bogus decision/citation reversed it all means nothing!
 

Citations aren't sticking!!!!!
 

No one is bankrupting themselves...the d.a's aren't even prosecuting
 

You are mistaken about Federal water laws in California.

California water law enforcement and permitting is a function of the Federal Clean Water Act. The 401 permit is a Federal permit administered by the State of California. It is subject to the same laws and Supreme Court rulings as all other Federal law.

Read this.

Educate Yourself and Prosper!

Heavy Pans
But, Barry there's no where that says I need a hibanking permit.....;)
 

UNCLE- I give you win! Love ya both CD and GW but this is getting ridiculous, the thread is way off topic and now we all are just playing semantics. I will butt out but leave this true story analogy of what I was unsuccesfully trying to say.
If a traffic cop repeatedly cites a motorist for illegal parking in the same spot, despite the motorist having gone to traffic court and gotten the previous tickets overthrown because he was able to demonstrate that it was not illegal parking. What matter is it if the parking was legal and the law on the side of the motorist? Despite being 100% in the right, a citizen is being harassed, inconvienced, forced to spend or lose time and money they may or may not have by those whose job it is to uphold that law.
 

UNCLE- I give you win! Love ya both CD and GW but this is getting ridiculous, the thread is way off topic and now we all are just playing semantics. I will butt out but leave this true story analogy of what I was unsuccesfully trying to say.
If a traffic cop repeatedly cites a motorist for illegal parking in the same spot, despite the motorist having gone to traffic court and gotten the previous tickets overthrown because he was able to demonstrate that it was not illegal parking. What matter is it if the parking was legal and the law on the side of the motorist? Despite being 100% in the right, a citizen is being harassed, inconvienced, forced to spend or lose time and money they may or may not have by those whose job it is to uphold that law.

You bet your butt...I would make sure I stopped getting that same illegal ticket!!!!!' That's the problem I'm trying to illustrate....everyone keeps saying it's getting worse and worse....something must be done....then deep breath in and upon exhale comes out" you can't do anything about it they will just fight you into the ground"
Even with gobs of case law and written rights on paper that the industry uses daily we still have people spreading the same rhetoric and propaganda....the sky falls you catch it in a bucket and then run around trying to splash it on people (not you just sayin)
It is most difficult to get miners to stand together because they make it so easy to cut each other down.
They are blaming this spill on the miners of the past...even though they have the names of the people who physically created the problem.....I'm not trying to win anything against anyone here...neither is Barry.Im simply trying to say don't listen to unfounded hype and point it out everytime.....and please please don't spread nonsense!!!!!!!! Reading comments from people who have never even been to a mill site let alone spent hours and hours underground....gets really interesting...and down right frustrating sometimes.
But please keep the convo going....and deal with different opinions and views.......I am not trying to one up anyone that's for sure......

WHEN I'M RIGHT I WILL BE QUITE CONTENT SMUGLY RELISHING IT TO MYSELF......IT HAPPENS A LOT;)
 

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The fact that un-lawful citations aren't being prosecuted doesn't mean anything????
 

No one is bankrupting themselves...the d.a's aren't even prosecuting

I should have been more clear. I was meaning all the different types of actions against us we are seeing= dredging, significant disturbance, discharge, site remediation and on and on. There most certainly are miners and companies that are being bankrupted or severely financially stressed fighting to prove their innocence that shouldn't have to.
 

The fact that un-lawful citations aren't being prosecuted doesn't mean anything????[/QUOTE
Why are there unlawful citations in the first place? Why does it continually have to go to a place where a law abiding citizen is forced to prove their innocense? It does mean something it means your rights are being ignored by those who would take them from you.
 

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