Are you kidding me? Watch this video

[snyper77]

Here's a video of an Etrac. It sounds like a 1980's video game that has short circuited! I couldn't imagine giving $1500 for something like this when this video was driving me out of my mind within 1 minute. Please tell me an Etrac doesn't do this.
http://www.mlotv.com/view/439/neil-jones-advanced-etrac-program-explained-part1/

 

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[Montana Jim]

I agree... all metal or not that was a great deal of varied noise that never even made him flinch or dig.

I stopped watching almost right away. LOL

 

[Brett]

If you set your Response to Smooth, then yes... but most everybody sets theirs to Normal.

I would say the way Neil has it set up is something UK detectorists might do for field hunting. I think some of those guys set Response to Pitch Hold as well.

 

[gleaner1]

The thing is workin' perfect. He's got it set in Ferrous Sounds, so everything sounds good except the good stuff.
Think about it, most stuff is crap, so the thing sounds off like --- RED ALERT>>CRAP--- most of the time. Then, when he gets the nice low sounding stuff, it sticks out like a sore thumb and its a goody. Ferrous Sounds lets everything be heard with very reliable sound discrimination. This guy is never fooled by rusty iron bottle caps or nails. Ferrous Sounds helps stop iron falsing. Ferrous Sounds locks onto goodies better. Its like saying "screw it!!, I want to hear the crap better so I can hear the goodies better!". This guy is a pro, learn what he does and kill in trashy sites.

 

[Brett]

The thing is workin' perfect. He's got it set in Ferrous Sounds, so everything sounds good except the good stuff.
Think about it, most stuff is crap, so the thing sounds off like --- RED ALERT>>CRAP--- most of the time. Then, when he gets the nice low sounding stuff, it sticks out like a sore thumb and its a goody. Ferrous Sounds lets everything be heard with very reliable sound discrimination. This guy is never fooled by rusty iron bottle caps or nails. Ferrous Sounds helps stop iron falsing. Ferrous Sounds locks onto goodies better. Its like saying "screw it!!, I want to hear the crap better so I can hear the goodies better!". This guy is a pro, learn what he does and kill in trashy sites.

You might wanna rethink that, he uses Conduct Sounds:
http://www.mlotv.com/view/440/neil-jones-advanced-etrac-program-explained-settings/

 

[Mad Witch]

It's possible to searching in such condition on Conduct Sounds ? How long-20 minutes? 1-2h?

 

[mrs.oroblanco]

Well, he found good stuff - but that would drive me insane in short order.

B

 

[gleaner1]

Brett, you are correct, he uses Conduct sounds, he shows clearly his setup in the video (insert foot into mouth deep).
I was totally off the mark, the real issue like you say is the all-metal setting with smooth response, the machine is going to sound off on anything. The conduct vs ferrous sounds setting has little to do with what you see in the video. I still cant figure out how he decides to recover a target.

The answer to the post is Yes, the Etrac sounds like the video, but only if set up that way. But you can change that easy.

The Etrac has many ways to set up target response and it would be a mistake to let the video influence anyone's opinion on a truly great detector. He could set it with some scrim with normal response and it would be a lot more quiet, just like other machines. Download and study the emulator, this will really show you what the machine is like and how you can easily change the response behavior.

 

[rmptr]

They sure are tooty flutey!

I've always heard they are good... guess that means it's something you can get used to!

Then again, I never hunt in all metal.

 

[Brett]

Here's what most deep signals sound like when you are hunting for conductive coins such as pennies through quarters in Conduct Sounds and Response Normal.


Not the best video, but you get the idea.

 

[Monty]

That clip sounds a lot like my new Safari sounds to me, mostly just a jumble of sounds with no particular discrimination possible. I don't see how he stands it. It drives me nuts at times. Monty

 

[Brett]

That clip sounds a lot like my new Safari sounds to me, mostly just a jumble of sounds with no particular discrimination possible. I don't see how he stands it. It drives me nuts at times. Monty

Are you referring to Neil's clip? Are you hunting in Coins mode? The only thing I can think of is your sensitivity is too high, because the Safari doesn't have a Response setting to change. It just changes to Conductive or Ferrous sounds depending on which mode you are using. Your Safari should sound close to that E-Trac in the video I posted.

 

[Iron Patch]

That is the worst thing I've ever heard and certainly can't imagine any advantage to using the detector that way.

So why did the silver coin stay as such a low sound? Is there a different type all-metal mode than an explorer, or is it something else?

 

[gleaner1]

I agree. It seems like the iron and ground effects sound high pitch, then he homes in on lower sounding stuff which ends up being silver. It's totally baffling. That's why I thought he was in ferrous tones. There must be a good explanation to all this madness.

 

[Iron Patch]

I agree. It seems like the iron and ground effects sound high pitch, then he homes in on lower sounding stuff which ends up being silver. It's totally baffling. That's why I thought he was in ferrous tones. There must be a good explanation to all this madness.

Wouldn't it be funny....

I once had a fellow explorer user visit me and about 2 hours into the hunt we compared signals just for the heck of it. I was the one who found the target and it was a solid high hit, most likely a chunk of lead. He scanned it and said low tone, probably small or a button. I said what?? (keep in mind I had a year on the XS for every month he did) There's no way that's a low tone. He pulled his phones out and sure enough it was low. I took his detector and starting checking some targets and the thing was so outta wack i couldn't make heads or tales of what I was hearing. To try to figure out a little more I did a reset and put in my usual settings, it worked fine. For months he was using a totally messed up detector but had no idea because it was still finding stuff. Who knows what it was missing but wouldn't it be funny if this guy is the star in the video and the detector isn't working right. I really am curious what feature is making a silver coin sound low in conductive even out of the ground. i have many hours in, in both ferrous and conductive and I don't think an Explorer can do that. But to be honest I've never played with those wacky-useless in my opinion features. Come on e-trac users, someone has to know the detector by now.

PS... Even ferrous tones do not give a low tone on silver.

 

[Brett]

Three things:
Conduct Sounds
Response Smooth
Threshold Pitch 1 (default is 15)

Other than that, he mentions there is a lot of mineralization in the ground...

Try to set your explorer like this... he use to hunt with an SE I believe the same way... I would try it but there is snow on the ground and it's too cold to mess around with wacky programs like this

 

[Eu_citzen]

That is the worst thing I've ever heard and certainly can't imagine any advantage to using the detector that way.

So why did the silver coin stay as such a low sound? Is there a different type all-metal mode than an explorer, or is it something else?

It appears to be a hammered coin(?) these often give off a low tone because they are so thin.

 

[Mad Witch]

The only thing I can think of is your sensitivity is too high, because the Safari doesn't have a Response setting to change.

maybe I'm wrong...but the Response setting in Safari and Quattro it's called "Trash density"? On "high" response is much faster but ID lose accuracy and "vice versa".

 

[RigDean]

honestly, i don't see how in the heck he does it either. i plugged in Niels program and saved it for the heck of it. went out in the yard for about all of five minutes using this program. i only tried it on a clad us quarter as it is freezing and windy out. It reminded me of a PI unit i once heard, noise every where. (Lots of junk in my yard) i could not distinguish the quarter from the ground, i would go right over it and it was like it didn't even register. not even a change in pitch from ground noise. (shame the ferrous audio doesn't work on e-trac like i've heard it works on splorers) noisy useless program for me, however it seems to be working for him in the UK. If I were to try and use this program I would just be walking and swinging all day, no digging at all!!! and a headache to go with it. However, i made some adjustments to this program using neils as a basis for my own and came up with some interesting results which will require further field application to determine how well it does. HH

 

[RigDean]

I may try Niels program for specialized hunting for lower conductivity targets, brass, lead, gold, nickels. cause it seems like these would shine thru better than silver or copper. Again further investigation is required. Has anyone else tried niels program on the e-trac?