Are you kidding me? Watch this video

[Iron Patch]

honestly, i don't see how in the heck he does it either. i plugged in Niels program and saved it for the heck of it. went out in the yard for about all of five minutes using this program. i only tried it on a clad us quarter as it is freezing and windy out. It reminded me of a PI unit i once heard, noise every where. (Lots of junk in my yard) i could not distinguish the quarter from the ground, i would go right over it and it was like it didn't even register. not even a change in pitch from ground noise. (shame the ferrous audio doesn't work on e-trac like i've heard it works on splorers) noisy useless program for me, however it seems to be working for him in the UK. If I were to try and use this program I would just be walking and swinging all day, no digging at all!!! and a headache to go with it. However, i made some adjustments to this program using neils as a basis for my own and came up with some interesting results which will require further field application to determine how well it does. HH

One more point. All that noise could be over clean ground, which still goes back to my saying I really don't see an advantage. The Explorer is very good picking out small stuff if you know the subtle tones, that thing in the video looks like nothing more than a bad headache at the end of the day.

 

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[Iron Patch]

Three things:
Conduct Sounds
Response Smooth
Threshold Pitch 1 (default is 15)

Other than that, he mentions there is a lot of mineralization in the ground...

Try to set your explorer like this... he use to hunt with an SE I believe the same way... I would try it but there is snow on the ground and it's too cold to mess around with wacky programs like this

Well could be. I've never touched those settings if I have em... and never want to!

 

[Monty]

Witchy woman, you are right. Safari has high and low trash density. Monty

 

[gleaner1]

Sticking my neck out and going out on a limb here, I think I kinda understand the craziness. (Don't forget, this is in England where you can find 2000+ year-old goodies, so anything but iron is digging material, especially near ancient castles). Trying to work logically I propose..........

Carefully view the first (setup) part of this 3 video series.
When selecting Conduct sounds the host asks Niel if he ever considers Ferrous sounds.
Niel explains something like "no, conduct sounds lets the smaller stuff come thru low tones". That's it! He actually wants the lower tone stuff. Keep reading and keep thinking England. Smaller stuff is less conductive, so lower tone. Likewise, deeper stuff "appears" less conductive, so lower pitched. But, this is only half the battle. Now, the other half......explaining and dealing with all the maddening iron sounds in all-metal.....

Iron is very electromagnetically reactive and quite a bit conductive (everyone's been fooled by nails, washers and round rusty stuff). Iron crap can be (especially shallow) so conductive that it sounds High pitch. A horseshoe 6" deep is high on the conductivity chart. But iron has that distinct "rusty crap" signature that we all know and hate.
Think hot rocks also. Neil, thru endless hours of digging and swearing and patience and brute force, has forced himself to master recognizing iron trash response in all metal mode just by its specific response characteristics (He mentions the distinct iron-sounding response characteristics I think in clip #3, but watch all to get the full picture). Rest assured that if there was a silver coin- sized object about 2 inches deep (or 1/2" deep) he would find it because the response would be very high pitched, but much tighter and sweeter. 10"+ deep silver is no problem for this guy either. Lead and brass and gold and aluminum probably will be recovered.

A lot of the targets recovered were lead, and the target pitch was the same before and after recovery, mid-range to low, but not too low. This is what he wants, anything but iron. You can bet he uses this setup all the time and for good reason, it produces.

ALL THAT THIS CLIP SERIES SHOWS IS A BIG LESSON IN ALL METAL MODE SEARCH TACTICS. You either love all metal mode or hate it.

 

[RigDean]

I ran neils program at a(US) park today for about twenty minutes. i can see it definitely has potential even in the states, and my ears didn't take too much of a bashing as i lowered the volume alot Very quirky program and although i can't see myself using this program constantly, it would certainly have useful applications for certain sites and desired targets. Also, i wonder if it would put a drain on the batteries

 

[Iron Patch]

Sticking my neck out and going out on a limb here, I think I kinda understand the craziness. (Don't forget, this is in England where you can find 2000+ year-old goodies, so anything but iron is digging material, especially near ancient castles). Trying to work logically I propose..........

Carefully view the first (setup) part of this 3 video series.
When selecting Conduct sounds the host asks Niel if he ever considers Ferrous sounds.
Niel explains something like "no, conduct sounds lets the smaller stuff come thru low tones". That's it! He actually wants the lower tone stuff. Keep reading and keep thinking England. Smaller stuff is less conductive, so lower tone. Likewise, deeper stuff "appears" less conductive, so lower pitched. But, this is only half the battle. Now, the other half......explaining and dealing with all the maddening iron sounds in all-metal.....

I've hunted digging everything non ferrous no matter how small since I started detecting. The coin he called silver, and looked about the size of a nickel, he even scanned on the surface to pinpoint, did he not? That is a high tone in conductive so it is obvious something else is going on... like Brett says ... OR.. this detector is so different than an explorer for the sound modes I am wasting my energy trying to figure out why, because that's just the way it is, and I have never used one to know.

 

[BuckleBoy]

Wouldn't it be funny....

I once had a fellow explorer user visit me and about 2 hours into the hunt we compared signals just for the heck of it. I was the one who found the target and it was a solid high hit, most likely a chunk of lead. He scanned it and said low tone, probably small or a button. I said what?? (keep in mind I had a year on the XS for every month he did) There's no way that's a low tone. He pulled his phones out and sure enough it was low. I took his detector and starting checking some targets and the thing was so outta wack i couldn't make heads or tales of what I was hearing. To try to figure out a little more I did a reset and put in my usual settings, it worked fine. For months he was using a totally messed up detector but had no idea because it was still finding stuff. Who knows what it was missing but wouldn't it be funny if this guy is the star in the video and the detector isn't working right. I really am curious what feature is making a silver coin sound low in conductive even out of the ground. i have many hours in, in both ferrous and conductive and I don't think an Explorer can do that. But to be honest I've never played with those wacky-useless in my opinion features. Come on e-trac users, someone has to know the detector by now.

PS... Even ferrous tones do not give a low tone on silver.

LMAO this is a great thread.


It's why I use a detector with knobs on it. I always know what my settings are.

 

[Iron Patch]

Wouldn't it be funny....

I once had a fellow explorer user visit me and about 2 hours into the hunt we compared signals just for the heck of it. I was the one who found the target and it was a solid high hit, most likely a chunk of lead. He scanned it and said low tone, probably small or a button. I said what?? (keep in mind I had a year on the XS for every month he did) There's no way that's a low tone. He pulled his phones out and sure enough it was low. I took his detector and starting checking some targets and the thing was so outta wack i couldn't make heads or tales of what I was hearing. To try to figure out a little more I did a reset and put in my usual settings, it worked fine. For months he was using a totally messed up detector but had no idea because it was still finding stuff. Who knows what it was missing but wouldn't it be funny if this guy is the star in the video and the detector isn't working right. I really am curious what feature is making a silver coin sound low in conductive even out of the ground. i have many hours in, in both ferrous and conductive and I don't think an Explorer can do that. But to be honest I've never played with those wacky-useless in my opinion features. Come on e-trac users, someone has to know the detector by now.

PS... Even ferrous tones do not give a low tone on silver.

LMAO this is a great thread.


It's why I use a detector with knobs on it. I always know what my settings are.

His settings were right, the dectector had some type of glitch and had to be reset. I once had my Explorer lock up in sucking mode and had a heck of a time freeing it up. It still detected but was noisy, and the true sign there was a problem my battery guage wouldn't move.

I know my settings because they never change.

 

[Brett]

I've hunted digging everything non ferrous no matter how small since I started detecting. The coin he called silver, and looked about the size of a nickel, he even scanned on the surface to pinpoint, did he not? That is a high tone in conductive so it is obvious something else is going on... like Brett says ... OR.. this detector is so different than an explorer for the sound modes I am wasting my energy trying to figure out why, because that's just the way it is, and I have never used one to know.

Uhg... blah blah blah, who cares anymore?

Nobody but Neil will ever hunt this way so let's get back to doing our research and hunting however we see fit.

[unchecks the Notify me of replies box] ... [clicks Post]

<head slams on desk> "ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.............."

 

[Iron Patch]

I've hunted digging everything non ferrous no matter how small since I started detecting. The coin he called silver, and looked about the size of a nickel, he even scanned on the surface to pinpoint, did he not? That is a high tone in conductive so it is obvious something else is going on... like Brett says ... OR.. this detector is so different than an explorer for the sound modes I am wasting my energy trying to figure out why, because that's just the way it is, and I have never used one to know.

Uhg... blah blah blah, who cares anymore?

Nobody but Neil will ever hunt this way so let's get back to doing our research and hunting however we see fit.

[unchecks the Notify me of replies box] ... [clicks Post]

<head slams on desk> "ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.............."

I wish I could but unfortunately I won't get out until Wednesday. Sounds like you're the one with cabin fever.