Article posted on Google not favorable to collectors.

[newnan man]

People of the Dirt, Part Two: The Obsessive and Destructive Artifact Thieves - ICTMN.com

 

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[GatorBoy]

This might not be the best place for that

 

[dlos]

If people stop buying points - druggies stop going after them to sell, pretty simple.

 

[tomclark]

This hobby has been in a downward spiral ever since I got into it. I blame sales, ID/Price Guides and social media for all this bad attention and wrongful assumptions about the average collector. IMHOP every artifact forum should be a closed group.

 

[pickaway]

This hobby has been in a downward spiral ever since I got into it. I blame sales, ID/Price Guides and social media for all this bad attention and wrongful assumptions about the average collector. IMHOP every artifact forum should be a closed group.

I agree, I dont post finds anymore.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

The problem is the intrusion into our lives and the assault on what we as citizens can do by certain groups that is really not their right to restrict.....






American by birth, Patriot by choice.

I would rather die standing on my two feet defending our Constitution than live a lifetime on my knees......

 

[GatorBoy]

I agree, I dont post finds anymore.

You're not the only one

 

[Jon Stewart]

If you don't have a buyer, you don't have a seller.

And I have that same attitude towards drugs.

 

[Cosmo]

Treasure I think political correctness is creeping into artifacts.On a side note I remember as a kid going to Cahokia mounds they had a 2000 year old dog skeleton and child's skeleton on display. Last year when I went and asked the longtime workers they said they never heard they used to be on display. Anyone else remember that by chance?

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Lot of great artifacts found in West Illinois, Eastern Missouri..

I use to live in Columbia Mo....






American by birth, Patriot by choice.

I would rather die standing on my two feet defending our Constitution than live a lifetime on my knees......

 

[Red Earth]

I have so many different points and ideas about this.

-First off, let me just say that I have been on both sides of the tracks and in no way would I ever sell any of my points then and I won't sell any now.
-Secondly, it is extremely unfair to throw artifact hunters in with every meth head, pill popper and abuser of one kind or another.
-Thirdly, there are thousands of sites throughout the United states discovered and undiscovered. There is no possible way that all these places can be worked by scientists before time takes its toll. By this I mean, nature's way of destroying it. I personally know of two places that will be washed away little by little. I visit these places often if you get my drift. If someone didn't recover these artifacts then they would be lost or broken Or both.
-Forthly, I've seen a broadcast about this same topic and it involved a site in Ohio. They were upset because diggers had been visiting a cave and excavating it. It was a known indian cave. If it was so important then why hadn't there been a professional team excavating it.
I just get very offended when I'm told that I can't pursue my interests and hobbies because someone with a title might possibly take an interest in an area I hunt.


On a side note, I'm 1/16th Cherokee. Does this give me the right to dig or collect

 

[Red Earth]

That was just to mention a few

 

[Charl]

If you don't have a buyer, you don't have a seller.

And I have that same attitude towards drugs.

That is certainly true. But, we could never expect to eliminate the art market. The coin market. The stamp market. Collectables are collectables. We can't eliminate the artifact market, either. Whether it be Native American artifacts, Egyptian artifacts, Roman artifacts, etc, etc. if you don't have a buyer, you don't have a seller; however you will always have a buyer, and there will always be a market. It's human nature to collect, as much as anything else. At least for many people; just name the collectable....

 

[chase2]

I agree with Charl. Collectibles or for that matter drugs, there will be buyers and sellers. The part that I find the most disturbing is the stigma that is being portrayed. Is that artifact collectors are crazed druggies that are desecrating sites to support a drug habit. The fact that we have little regard for what that past holds. we do this for greed or for drugs! I find that as a racist remark, against artifact collectors. I cant and wont speak for anyone but myself, but the amount of money I have spent on hunting, finding, recording, framing and curating the artifacts I find is a few dollars, none of which was subsidized by the government or any other group. Preserved and recorded, a veritable archive. sorry for the ramble. just some thoughts!

 

[Jon Stewart]

Chase2 are you claiming that I made a racist remark for my comments about " no buyers, no sellers" and I feel that way about drugs. That is a simple statement on your part. First you need to look up the meaning of "racist" . Secondly being a retired police detective I feel that way about most crimes. No buyers means no sellers in most crimes . That just my opinion and in NO WAY was I comparing buying stolen artifacts to buying drugs. It was a comparison of an action in general and not a comparison of fact.

Just another reason for me to check out on this site.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

I have bought and sold artifacts... Broken no laws doing so and see no harm in doing so...






American by birth, Patriot by choice.

I would rather die standing on my two feet defending our Constitution than live a lifetime on my knees......

 

[Tnmountains]

I hunt and I gather. I can not help myself. It is in my DNA. There are bad apples in everything. I read that article when it came out. It was a poorly written ridiculous article. You can collect anything and sell it for drugs. (gold,baseball cards,fossils) whatever sells……….
I think some people watched "Breaking Bad" who should not have.

 

[Wyoming Valley Relics]

If you don't have a buyer, you don't have a seller.

I never liked buying artifacts. Something bought would never have the value of actually finding it yourself. It's thanks to my father i got into this hobby, and the older he gets the less he gets out into the fields to look. buying artifacts is now his way of searching. Not only does he find stuff but they are the things he was never able to pull out of the ground himself. I certainly understand where you are coming from . I don't buy and don't plan but I wont say never. Cutting off the head to cure the cold is never the answer.

 

[mainejman]

This is all about rights and personal choices.If you try to figure out the laws of this land you will see they are divided by what's good for the masses and what's good for a certain percentage.But what they have in common they have all been manipulated by money.I'm 55 years old my time here is limited .If I waited for my government to get things right I would need a few more lifetimes.I've said this before I am not the most religious person.My concsious is what I go by .If I want to artifact hunt then I will.If I want to smoke a joint while I'm doing it then so be it.I don't sell pot to buy artifacts and I don't sell artifacts to by pot.These are personal choices I make......mjm

 

[Charl]

Chase2 are you claiming that I made a racist remark for my comments about " no buyers, no sellers" and I feel that way about drugs. That is a simple statement on your part. First you need to look up the meaning of "racist" . Secondly being a retired police detective I feel that way about most crimes. No buyers means no sellers in most crimes . That just my opinion and in NO WAY was I comparing buying stolen artifacts to buying drugs. It was a comparison of an action in general and not a comparison of fact.

Just another reason for me to check out on this site.

I know chase. We are both moderators on another forum. I'm pretty sure he hasn't seen your reply or he would reply. However, just want to say chase did not make the claims you think he meant. Honestly, not wanting to start anything with you or anyone else, but I did not read his comments the way you did at all. I really don't know why you think this, but believe me, it's a mistake on your part. chase is not leveling any accusations at you.

Jon, reading chase's comment again, it is absolutely clear to me that he was talking about the comments AND THE IMPLICATIONS AND FALSE ASSOCIATIONS made in the article, and probably the other article as well, which wasn't posted on TNet but which also connects ah.com members with illegalities for no justifiable reasons, and not your short comment at all. He absolutely did not imply what you think he implied, Jon. Not at all......

chase wrote: "The fact that we have little regard for what that past holds. we do this for greed or for drugs! I find that as a racist remark, against artifact collectors."

The above statement is where you went wrong, Jon. Yes, chase did misuse the term "racism"; it isn't really racism, but a form of discrimination against collectors. And it's an untrue association and accusation for 99.999% of us! However, he isn't talking about your comment at all; he's talking about the 2 articles recently penned which connect collectors with illicit drugs and illicit digging. You took the statement personal when in fact the statement had nothing to do with you at all. You never said we do this for drugs, the articles did!