In reality, this conversation can go on as long as a "my detector works better than yours" debate...
What works for one person will NOT work for another. There are so many factors at hand... Our diets play a big factor in whether we are attractive to bugs as well... I go out in the woods with my girlfriend and get eaten alive even though I put on tons of spray yet she doesn't use any protection and doesn't even see any. Even when you do use protection it won't work the same for one person as it will on another... It's much like perfume or cologne which react to a persons body chemistry and smell a bit different on everyone that wears it... Similar yes, but different. It's an endless argument.
As I stated earlier, the Bug Patch has worked very well for me this year so I'll be sticking with that for now.
I'm a land surveyor that has to be in the woods, and not always when I want to. Here's my post from another thread about ticks:
Yup, Permethrin kills the little buggers before they can latch on to you.
Never did figure out how DEET keeps them from biting, but I don't believe it. DEET works for skeeters, though.
Permethrin on clothing does work for clothes (and I use it on my hair as well). Never been bit by horse flies, deer flies, or stable flies (look like house flies but hurt like heck).
They land, they die. Think of it as doing your part for biology.![]()
Don't forget about chiggers; these nasty little cruds are miserable to get rid of, actually burrowing under your skin to torment you for weeks. Permethrin gets them before they dig in.
I've been in the river bottom woods when mosquitoes were so ravenous that we had to apply 100% DEET every 10 minutes to keep sane. I've actually watched my permethrin-treated clothes; mosquitoes will land, but they won't bite. Then they will fly off and die.
Summing up: Permethrin on clothes, covering as much of you as you can stand. DEET on exposed skin.
Everything else is not as effective, or an outright fraud.
Good to know, I might have some already. I have lots of flea and tick control products hanging around the house.Diesal, I've seen Permitiun (sp), in some hardware stores in with the chemicals and insecticide. I also have gotten it from my vet, works really good to control fleas and ticks on your dogs.
I have also had good luck with Ben's 1oo, deet concentration alittle higher than other products. Be very careful with 100% deet, US Forest Service used to issue little sprat cans of it to us, and it melted my watch crystal. Oddly enough, a diet rich in garlic works really well, the mosquitos will still fly around you which is annoying,bot will rarely bight.
Where do you get Permethrin?
In reality, this conversation can go on as long as a "my detector works better than yours" debate...
What works for one person will NOT work for another. There are so many factors at hand... Our diets play a big factor in whether we are attractive to bugs as well... I go out in the woods with my girlfriend and get eaten alive even though I put on tons of spray yet she doesn't use any protection and doesn't even see any. Even when you do use protection it won't work the same for one person as it will on another... It's much like perfume or cologne which react to a persons body chemistry and smell a bit different on everyone that wears it... Similar yes, but different. It's an endless argument.
As I stated earlier, the Bug Patch has worked very well for me this year so I'll be sticking with that for now.
I appreciate the info! I am going to try to find some today as I am out doing some shopping. Up here in Maine the bugs are horrible and it really sucks as we go through bad winters and when the weather gets better and you want to be outside the bugs drive you back in.Hey DR,
It's marketed under the brand name Permanone. It's pretty available, but DEET seems to have the market edge, and sometimes I think they try to suppress the Permanone availability.
Most of the sporting stores have it, but farm supply stores do; you can even mix up your own cheaper. The stuff lasts so long (like weeks) that it's cheap enough to use the cans.
I like the idea of doing the world a favor by killing the little buggers, especially ticks and chiggers.
I appreciate the info! I am going to try to find some today as I am out doing some shopping. Up here in Maine the bugs are horrible and it really sucks as we go through bad winters and when the weather gets better and you want to be outside the bugs drive you back in.
Will try a product with "DEET"
Products with DEET (tested from WHO) should be have the best results. I ordered one and will test it on my next hunt. Will write a short review about it.
Wikipedia:
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DEET was historically believed to work by blocking insect olfactory receptors for 1-octen-3-ol, a volatile substance that is contained in human sweat and breath. The prevailing theory was that DEET effectively "blinds" the insect's senses so that the biting/feeding instinct is not triggered by humans or other animals which produce these chemicals. DEET does not appear to affect the insect's ability to smell carbon dioxide, as had been suspected earlier.[4][5]
However, more recent evidence shows that DEET serves as a true repellent in that mosquitoes intensely dislike the smell of the chemical repellent.[6] A type of olfactory receptor neuron in special antennal sensilla of mosquitoes that is activated by DEET, as well as other known insect repellents such as eucalyptol, linalool, and thujone, has been identified. Moreover, in a behavioral test, DEET had a strong repellent activity in the absence of body odor attractants such as 1-octen-3-ol, lactic acid, or carbon dioxide. Female and male mosquitoes showed the same response.[7][8]
A recent structural study has revealed that DEET binds to Anopheles gambiae Odorant binding protein 1 (AgamOBP1) with high shape complementarity, suggesting that AgamOBP1 is a molecular target of DEET and perhaps other repellents.[9]
A 2013 study suggests that mosquitoes can at least temporarily overcome or adapt to the repellant effect of DEET after an initial exposure, representing a non-genetic behavioral change.[10] This observation, if verified, has significant implications for how repellant effectiveness should be assessed."
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I get eaten alive and have tried everything there is.. This year I've been using the Bug Patch and I've had great results! The best thing is that its 100% DEET Free and works with Vitamin B-1. You put on a patch about 1-2 hours before you plan on needing protection... The Vitamin B-1 (and some other junk) absorbs into your skin and makes you less delicious to all bugs, not just Mosquitos. Each patch protects for up to 36 hours... 1 packet contains 6 patches an they can be kinda spendy but there's a bunch on eBay for a fraction of the cost.. I think you can get like 60 patches for $10 and they probably retail for quite a bit more than that.