Breaking News: Mass shooting at Ft Hood Texas?

[Jimmy(PA)]

I wonder if some of you realize how many middle easterners and muslims are actively involved in helping train us to be prepared. We worked with several before I went to Iraq. The rhetoric about deporting all muslims is stupid, period.

I guess since the russians went soft and democratic we needed a new nasty enemy to demonize. I am waiting to see more details. As I also said before, there seems to be evidence that the MPs are responsible for some of the wounded, not the shooter.

Sure and this guy was one of them as was the one who threw a grenade into a command tent in 03'. Next time they bust a Catholic cardinal or bishop for promoting terrorism or running a terrorist cell out of a church maybe i'll shange my views but I dont see that happening anytime soon. People choose to follow the Koran just like people chose to follow Nazism, its not a race or ethnicity its a belief system. People put down Christians, Republicans, Democrats, and other belief systems all the time why is it such a horrible thing to put down Muslims?

 

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[Jimmy(PA)]

Actuallly, I am going by this crazy, liberal AMERICAN concept of jurisprudence, called innocent until proven guilty, not proven guilty by the media, thanks.

I only hold one document as sacred, and that is the Constitution. This man is an American citizen, and a fellow member of the military. Pardon me for waiting until all the facts are in before I scream for him to be burned at the stake. I believe in justice, something that has been sorely lacking lately.

Im guessing this man would have been tried for treason and hung in the 19th century but who knows what will happen today he might even be released after a few years since this act was "brought on my teasing and racism". But seriously did you just call him a "fellow member of the military"? He sounds more like an enemy soldier who infiltrated our lines to me.

 

[Goodyguy]

I wonder if some of you realize how many middle easterners and muslims are actively involved in helping train us to be prepared. We worked with several before I went to Iraq. The rhetoric about deporting all muslims is stupid, period.

Actuallly, I am going by this crazy, liberal AMERICAN concept of jurisprudence, called innocent until proven guilty, not proven guilty by the media, thanks.

I only hold one document as sacred, and that is the Constitution. This man is an American citizen, and a fellow member of the military. Pardon me for waiting until all the facts are in before I scream for him to be burned at the stake. I believe in justice, something that has been sorely lacking lately.

Well maybe he was just training your fellow members of the military on how a terrorist shoots unarmed fellow soldiers.


Just for the record I agree with your statement about justice being sorely lacking lately.
GG~

 

[Libralabsoldier]

Let me repeat for the slow learners:

Actuallly, I am going by this crazy, liberal AMERICAN concept of jurisprudence, called innocent until proven guilty, not proven guilty by the media, thanks.

 

[Goodyguy]

Let me repeat for the slow learners:

Actuallly, I am going by this crazy, liberal AMERICAN concept of jurisprudence, called innocent until proven guilty, not proven guilty by the media, thanks.

Tell that to the murdered soldiers families.

GG~

 

[Libralabsoldier]

I do not generally trust when the military puts a story out. See: Jessica Lynch, and Pat Tillman.

 

[Goodyguy]

I do not generally trust when the military puts a story out. See: Jessica Lynch, and Pat Tillman.

I have to agree with that.

GG~

 

[peacock]

So sad. My step son was down there.
Most People are good. There are Bad ones, mostly Good people. (statics would say 2%)
Who are we to judge. People are people, all people fear. Some give. I have been blessed to share a meal from Arabs where Christ was Christened. The Jordon River. It was an experience. The guards were so young. Should write my story sometime. But it is not a treasure.

 

[Goodyguy]

So sad. My step son was down there.
Most People are good. There are Bad ones, mostly Good people. (statics would say 2%)
Who are we to judge. People are people, all people fear. Some give. I have been blessed to share a meal from Arabs where Christ was Christened. The Jordon River. It was an experience. The guards were so young. Should write my story sometime. But it is not a treasure.

Sounds like a treasure of the heart to me.
Would love to hear it sometime. You are welcome to post it on my personal page if you would care to.
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/board,720.0.html

GG~

 

[Marc]

His words are there. Humble thyself and give. (I should delete this)

 

[Marc]

(big hug)

 

[21stTNCav]

Actuallly, I am going by this crazy, liberal AMERICAN concept of jurisprudence, called innocent until proven guilty, not proven guilty by the media, thanks.

I only hold one document as sacred, and that is the Constitution. This man is an American citizen, and a fellow member of the military. Pardon me for waiting until all the facts are in before I scream for him to be burned at the stake. I believe in justice, something that has been sorely lacking lately.

Preamble: "establish justice, ENSURE DOMESTIC TRANQUILITY". Is this part that is held sacred or is it conveniently ignored while the parts that support what you like are ok? Sounds like the people who love to rant about freedom to burn the American Flag while acting like the 2ND amendment does not exist. Although people are "innocent until proven guilty" by law, that does not mean Americans should suspend common sense. This scum is guilty as sin and does not deserve defending here. Although this scum is a member of our military, he is also the murder of his fellow soldiers, or I guess you might say "oh no, that is not proven yet". To this I say you have no common sense to make such a statement. This scumbag is "innocent" in name only, or do you doubt that he will be found guilty? Any sensable person knows this and defending this scum is sort of offensive. Well, it is a free Nation for now, and feel free to abuse your rights as much as you want.

 

[pygmy]

I agree with 21stcav that the defence of such cowards whilst invoking the Constitution
is reprehensible and unforgivable.
I now remind you that the cowardly shooter is now in a coma being kept alive with a ventilator.
I leave it to your imagination as to what has to be done.

 

[Libralabsoldier]

So I am getting called a coward now? I simply said that people are really quick to make a lot of assumptions. Some of the stories I have read have pointed out the possibility that the MPs shot some of the wounded by mistake. There has been a lot of misinformation already, and as I also pointed out earlier, the military has a lousy track record of putting out correct information when it may give them a black eye.

I am still in the Army. I have friends down at Fort Hood. I am not excusing this crime. What I absolutely refuse to do is make assumptions. Unless some of you were right there, how are you so sure? Because Muslims are evil subhumans who should be exterminated? Then fire up the ovens.

Some people are so brave and loud on the internet. I have been to Iraq. I have lost many people dear to me since the beginning of these two wars, and some of them were by their own hand, not by an IED or anything else.

I have worked alongside American Muslims, and those that left Iraq and Afghanistan to work with us to help make their countries better.

The racism, hatred and quick judgements abounding disgust me. As I said, I believe in law, and justice. What I have been seeing so far has nothing to do with justice. And Piggy....I guess you should nominate yourself as Judge, Jury and Executioner, to go down there and kill someone on a ventilator. NOW WHO IS A COWARD?

 

[Libralabsoldier]

I have a problem with the way this country uses the media to decide guilt. We have a judicial system for a reason. As someone who was convicted in a court of popular opinion, I know how that feels personally.

Too many stories were flying around right after the shooting. As I said, I have friends down there. I am going to take a "wait and see" attitude.

Look at it this way: Suppose Fort Hood pins it on this Major, comatose and paralyzed...and another shooting occurs because they did not get the right person? Then what?

What if this incident is used to stir up anti muslim sentiment, and someone decides to go out and kill a dozen or so American Muslims, because they believe that it is "Us" or "them"?

All this poisonous spewing of hate makes me sick to my stomach. And much of it seems to be coming from people who are in no danger of going in the military, and do not actually know any muslims personally.

As I am sure I have said before, I am agnostic. I hold all religions equally relevant, while following none of them. I will refrain from going into further detail, except to say that no one can say whether or not there is a god, gods, etc with any accuracy, so I personally leave that question open.

Right now I am taking the claims of the shooter screaming "Allahu Akhbar" about as accurately as the account of Pat Tillman storming a hill to take out insurgents (for those who do not know, Pat Tillman, NFL star turned soldier, was killed in a friendly fire incident that the Army tried to use for propaganda purposes).

 

[Libralabsoldier]

I doubt it. I have been in both of those buildings within the last year, but do not specifically remember seeing surveillance cameras.

 

[Lasivian]

I wonder if some of you realize how many middle easterners and muslims are actively involved in helping train us to be prepared. We worked with several before I went to Iraq. The rhetoric about deporting all muslims is stupid, period.

I guess since the russians went soft and democratic we needed a new nasty enemy to demonize. I am waiting to see more details. As I also said before, there seems to be evidence that the MPs are responsible for some of the wounded, not the shooter.

The friendly fire would not have occurred without the perpetrators actions, please put the guilt where it is due.
It sounds like you are taking up for him.

GG~

Yes, "the perpetrators actions" are what we are trying to focus on, not any group of people. Whoever that perpetrator might be.

As for guilt the USA does not run on the assumption of guilt however you seem to be. You are confusing "innocent until proven guilty" with something like "oh i'm sure he is innocent". He has the right to a fair trial as a US citizen, and he has the right to be viewed as innocent until proven guilty.

This thread is a perfect example of finding someone guilty in "the court of public opinion" not a court of law.

 

[Jimmy(PA)]

I hope they wrap him in pig skin before he is buried.

 

[Libralabsoldier]

What purpose of justice would that serve, exactly? NONE. May as well tell Jihadists to start crucifying Christian soldiers after they behead them......

 

[Jimmy(PA)]

What purpose of justice would that serve, exactly? NONE. May as well tell Jihadists to start crucifying Christian soldiers after they behead them......

What purpose? Well it would make me and many more people happy but it could also put a curb on the Muslims by making them think twice before pulling a stunt like this knowing that even if they die they will not be seeing Allah. Crusifying Christians does not deny them the afterlife but from what i've heard burying a Muslim in pig skin does. I still get a big smile on my face when I read accounts of the Christian Knights entering Jerusalem after its fall in 1099. .