Bullet casings

[IWillFindTheGold]

Hello,

I know very little about bullets so I was wondering if any of you could tell me what these are. I found them in a very large park in my city. thanks.

 

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[kuger]

Training blanks

Possibly from a military funeral?

 

[IWillFindTheGold]

Thanks for the response! Where I found them, it might have been a film shoot. They were up on a cliff in the park overlooking the ocean. A lot of movie and television production goes on in this town.

 

[Monty]

At one time I would have said they were blanks. But someone who seems to know better said that crimped cases were used to launch grenades and blanks had cards over the powder charge. So, I suppose someone could have fired the grenade launching cartridges thinking they were blanks. Rather than a burial it seems more likely they may have been fired at a Memorial Day service in the park at one time. Would like to see the very bottom of the cartridges and probably could tell the date manufactured and who made them. They look like 7.62 Nato cases without knowing measurements. Monty

 

[kuger]

At one time I would have said they were blanks. But someone who seems to know better said that crimped cases were used to launch grenades and blanks had cards over the powder charge. So, I suppose someone could have fired the grenade launching cartridges thinking they were blanks. Rather than a burial it seems more likely they may have been fired at a Memorial Day service in the park at one time. Would like to see the very bottom of the cartridges and probably could tell the date manufactured and who made them. They look like 7.62 Nato cases without knowing measurements. Monty

I guess that could be true,but we used them in Sniper training,for "flinch".Also on ambush points(Training)

 

[Monty]

Unless thee was a military function there since 1952, I'd say you will have to rule out military use. If you don't know, look around and see what else you find in the area. A Military button would be good evidence. Those cases might be military surplus and if military they should have a date and possibly some letters stamped on the bottom of the case. Monty

 

[IWillFindTheGold]

Thanks for the replies. There are markings on them. Depending on how you look at them, it's either "68" or "89" on the end. if it is a year then that means 1968? It reads as "68" if you look at it straight on and read it from the bottom (letters under the center). The other lettering on there is "IVI".

I definitely will be going back to that area of the park. I have other information about that area that would lead me to believe that some very interesting finds might be there.

I'll measure the casings later today and also doublecheck the lettering. I'll post a photo of the ends as well. This has really got me curious.

 

[IWillFindTheGold]

Here are the photos. There are actually two different stamps. One is "65 DA" and the other is "68 IVI". They are also stamped with a circle with a cross in the middle.

They are both just under 3" long.

 

[BttleDiggerDrew]

Hello,

I know very little about bullets so I was wondering if any of you could tell me what these are. I found them in a very large park in my city. thanks.

Dumb-Dumb rounds

 

[silverswede]

There was a time in the late 60's early 70's maybe when rimfire .22's and a few center fire rifle calibers were marketed that were loaded with fine shot and crimped something like that. It was a miserable failure anyway as the .22's had the same effect on a barn rat that you could get with shooting him with a slingshot and sand. Ya' remember ,Monty?

 

[kuger]

There was a time in the late 60's early 70's maybe when rimfire .22's and a few center fire rifle calibers were marketed that were loaded with fine shot and crimped something like that. It was a miserable failure anyway as the .22's had the same effect on a barn rat that you could get with shooting him with a slingshot and sand. Ya' remember ,Monty?

Yea,I remember them,still have some,hell on snakes though!

 

[Monty]

I don't remember any ones with shot, but I made a few using empty capsules I got from the drug store. And they were hard to do because you had to use a filler and had to have enough powder to burn up the filler. Then I put a cardboard wad over the capsule and crimped the case mouth. I used a sharpened case to cut the wads. A little more complicated than that but too much to talk about. When fired the rifling would shred the capsule and disperse the shot. But the spin from the rifling would make the pattern too big for the small amount of shot the capsule would hold. I use kapock from an old life vest as a filler. I did all kinds of crazy experiments at one time. Some worked and some didn't. Then speer came out with the plastic shot cups for handgun calibers and they worked much better.
I got a mouse in my hunting camp camper one time. He wouldn't take the trap bait so I used a .45ACP shot capsule and blasted him. I set a Cheeto on top of a 2X6 board and used a piece of 2X12 leaning as a backstop. When the mouse came out to eat the Cheeto, I let him have it! Unintentionally the 2X12 was knocked over and also crushed him. The guys kidded me on my double action mouse trap! Monty

 

[IWillFindTheGold]

I'm glad I mentioned these casings because this thread has spawned some very entertaining posts. Thanks to everyone for their input and good stuff.

I went back to this site today and did some more detecting. It turns out the area where I found the bullets used to be a dairy farm (circa 1930). As I moved out into new territory I found a sea of bullets, some of them like the ones I posted and some were regular .303 bullet casings. I still need to find out what was going on in that area that so many shots were being fired all over the place. It might have been military training.

This park is very interesting because it's very large and has a varied history. There was logging there in the 1890's and then again in 1910 and 1930.

Here is a photo of what's left of the foundation of the dairy farm house.



I found an old rusty shovel nearby.



This huge pipe was downhill from the area.



Not sure what this thing is. It looked like some sort of funnel.



Next week I'll be contacting the city archives and/or the university which is located just beside this park. They used to own the land prior to the city taking it over. I'll let you guys know once I find out about the bullets.

 

[Monty]

Are you finding some bullets too, or are you calling the casings bullets? Loaded ammo has four parts: 1. The powder, 2. the projectile or bullet, 3. the case or casing, and 4. the primer. Just mentioning this to avoid confusion to some who are not familiar. Monty

 

[JonesFromIrmo]

They are 7.62x51 NATO blanks. Both made in Canada at different arsenals.

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/BAM007-1.html

 

[kenley]

The funnel thing looks like a piece of sewer pipe to me.
By any chance, were the empties foung near a rise above a cementary?

 

[kuger]

Training blanks

Possibly from a military funeral?

The funnel thing looks like a piece of sewer pipe to me.
By any chance, were the empties foung near a rise above a cementary?

He said it overlooked the ocean

 

[Tnmountains]

They are 7.62x51 NATO blanks. Both made in Canada at different arsenals.

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/BAM007-1.html

Good I.D on the bullets JonesfromIrmo

 

[LJHanley06]

Yep...NATO as evidenced by the "Cross in a Circle"...both made to NATO spec in Quebec.
See attached link to a handy web page that IDs alot of different headstamps.


http://www.cartridgecollectors.org/headstampcodes.htm