Can anyone help with three little things?

[jdsarasin8194]

I found these today back at my tavern site, I really could use some help with them because I'm not sure if one could be my bets find yet... its a kinda long post but any help woulf be appritiated:
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,347048.0.html

Thanks

 

[jdsarasin8194]

... and a good chance is all i need to consider it my first cw relic in my book

I guess you are saying that nothing CW era or older was found yet at this site?

no, they were (I think almost everything I've found there were from that era or before unless it was on the surface ), i just havn't found anything having to do with the war its self

Where is that stuff?The shotgun shell isnt,and its really hard to sat that grommet is

the shotgun shell is pretty close, and I believe the grommet is too, the linnen cloth remnants in it are most likly from an old flag or something, but definatly not matterial from tarp, also why one part of the grommet it dented in, from the rope holding the flag up...?
Also remember that I've hunted this place MANY more times than just this once

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

The shotgun shell has already been IDed and it is not CW era. I think what we are tring to say if you are finding older items in the area, it would help to place the lead in the same era.

 

[kuger]

The shotgun shell has already been IDed and it is not CW era. I think what we are tring to say if you are finding older items in the area, it would help to place the lead in the same era.

Exactly,your shotgun shell is about 20 years off,and puts it in a period that thy were starting to use lead for pipes

 

[jdsarasin8194]

The shotgun shell has already been IDed and it is not CW era. I think what we are tring to say if you are finding older items in the area, it would help to place the lead in the same era.

i am finding older items, older than CW, most of which are farming and horse relics, I've had them ID'd by the wife of the owner of the tavern, she worked at a stable for the majority of her life and is an expert with the stuff

 

[lennon631]

Did this tavern have plumbing eventually? I'm leaning towrds the plumbers lead for soldering. I'd RATHER it be for making musket or miniballs, lol...

 

[jdsarasin8194]

Did this tavern have plumbing eventually? I'm leaning towrds the plumbers lead for soldering. I'd RATHER it be for making musket or miniballs, lol...

none that i know of, plus this was in the back part of the property that has not been touched by any kind of consturuction, at least thats what the owner said

 

[Monty]

I think it's lead for forming bullets or balls. That type of lead had to be small so the soldiers could carry it around with a small melting pot. Plumbers lead would be bigger and it would be melted in a much larger pot therefore it could be larger bars. Just a thought. Monty

 

[kuger]

I think it's lead for forming bullets or balls. That type of lead had to be small so the soldiers could carry it around with a small melting pot. Plumbers lead would be bigger and it would be melted in a much larger pot therefore it could be larger bars. Just a thought. Monty

Good point,but it is broke,or cut from a longer bar.I have found caches of them with the bars

 

[jdsarasin8194]

I think it's lead for forming bullets or balls. That type of lead had to be small so the soldiers could carry it around with a small melting pot. Plumbers lead would be bigger and it would be melted in a much larger pot therefore it could be larger bars. Just a thought. Monty

Good point,but it is broke,or cut from a longer bar.I have found caches of them with the bars

its has not broken parts, i think it was made to be this size

 

[jdsarasin8194]

wait a second, I was just posting pictures to my profile and i saw a picture of one of my finds from back when i started MDing. I found the picture but i have no clue where the item is, i still dont know what it is but could it be a deformed musket ball or something? This was also found at the tavern... it looks lead...
no its not a rock either, i took the picture b4 i washed it.

I figured i would post it, maybe itll help...?

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

A quick search revealed a lead bar claimed to be from the CW. I would imagine they used whatever was available. http://www.joshuasattic.com/search/product.asp?ID=2439

 

[jdsarasin8194]

A quick search revealed a lead bar claimed to be from the CW. http://www.joshuasattic.com/search/product.asp?ID=2439

weird shape for a bar
could it have been flatened out or something?

 

[jdsarasin8194]

A quick search revealed a lead bar claimed to be from the CW. I would imagine they used whatever was available. http://www.joshuasattic.com/search/product.asp?ID=2439

they did use whatever was available, have u seen the movie "The Patriot" even tho its based on the revolution, same basic idea

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Heres something more your shape but yours is much cruder. Also a thread to read. http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php?topic=261147.0

All the ingot bars of lead that I have seen from the Civil War and back to the 1700's was in the shape of a elongated rectagular bar, being flared out at the bottom & with writing imprinted on the top such as 'LEAD' or some military dept. writing on it. They are usually about 1/2" wide to 1" wide and maybe 6 to 12" long. These bars were the way they were always transported (in barrels or crates), although I wouldn't be surprised to find out there were other forms of lead ingots it made for transport

 

[jdsarasin8194]

Heres something more your shape but yours is cruder. Also a thread to read. http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php?topic=261147.0

All the ingot bars of lead that I have seen from the Civil War and back to the 1700's was in the shape of a elongated rectagular bar, being flared out at the bottom & with writing imprinted on the top such as 'LEAD' or some military dept. writing on it. They are usually about 1/2" wide to 1" wide and maybe 6 to 12" long. These bars were the way they were always transported (in barrels or crates), although I wouldn't be surprised to find out there were other forms of lead ingots it made for transport

I've seen both pictures, but the link to the other thread i have not
I was JUST about to paste the same quote, but i can't tell if there was writing on the bottom or not, but the is an outline of like a rectangle...

 

[jdsarasin8194]

Heres something more your shape but yours is much cruder. Also a thread to read. http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php?topic=261147.0

All the ingot bars of lead that I have seen from the Civil War and back to the 1700's was in the shape of a elongated rectagular bar, being flared out at the bottom & with writing imprinted on the top such as 'LEAD' or some military dept. writing on it. They are usually about 1/2" wide to 1" wide and maybe 6 to 12" long. These bars were the way they were always transported (in barrels or crates), although I wouldn't be surprised to find out there were other forms of lead ingots it made for transport

the width is about correct, just the length...

 

[kuger]

A quick search revealed a lead bar claimed to be from the CW. I would imagine they used whatever was available. http://www.joshuasattic.com/search/product.asp?ID=2439

Yes,those are the bars,and they pre date the C.W.

The pieces were cut or carved off of that bar,they did not come that way(like yours)yours clearly shows evidence of being cut or broke off of the bar.

 

[Silver Searcher]

We find lead here all the time...every hunt it comes in all forms and sizes, the use could be for anything, your piece does'nt seem to have much oxidiation to it it could be CW related or even from early settlement

SS

 

[jdsarasin8194]

A quick search revealed a lead bar claimed to be from the CW. I would imagine they used whatever was available. http://www.joshuasattic.com/search/product.asp?ID=2439

Yes,those are the bars,and they pre date the C.W.

The pieces were cut or carved off of that bar,they did not come that way(like yours)yours clearly shows evidence of being cut or broke off of the bar.

u just said the pieces were cut or carved, then u say they dont come like mine and mine looks cut... contradicted yourself there

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

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