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Ray S ECenFL

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Hey Ray - Thanks for the post. I fail to understand why there is no excitement about this subject in light of the high fuel prices. As you are aware, the element designation of water is H2O. Two parts hydrogen and one part oxygen. Hydrogen is the most prevalent element in the universe and is combustible. In order to have combustion oxygen is also required. If a way could be found to instantationally break down water into these components, our dependence on fossil fuels would be eliminated. I find the concept fascinating and viable. Alot of coverage on this subject is on you tube, but I don't know how to post them. Several of the inventors have mysteriously disappeared. Hummmm, I wonder why? Sad fact is the "BIG BOYS" will not stand for this type of technology. Wonder why the government is not persuing this technology? Me thinks, I know the answer, regretably. There should be alot of excitement about this subject, but I'm not totally convinced the commercial ads you posted would be the way to go. Some of the posts on youtube are very interesting, check them out. Hope more information on the subject is forthcoming. "Orogrande"
 

The thing of getting hydrogen and oxygen out of water is nothing new...It's well over 20 years old.(I can't remember exactly how old)
There are ways to break down water into hydrogen & oxygen it's also used in cars.
 

I have a friend who has an "Aquatune" (http://www.aquatune.com) installed in his F250. He gets almost 30 MPG with that big Triton V8.

There's a video of a news story done at an NBC affiliate.
 

Smee said:
I have a friend who has an "Aquatune" (http://www.aquatune.com) installed in his F250. He gets almost 30 MPG with that big Triton V8.

There's a video of a news story done at an NBC affiliate.
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Nice web site. Loads of testimonials. Thanks for your input to my post.

Ray S
 

Smee said:
I have a friend who has an "Aquatune" (http://www.aquatune.com) installed in his F250. He gets almost 30 MPG with that big Triton V8.

There's a video of a news story done at an NBC affiliate.
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I asked for a price from Aquatune.com, and they replied:
AquaTunePlus is $699.50 plus shipping $24.80

Sheesh.... I could buy a lot of gas for $724.

Ray S.
 

Ray S ECenFL said:
I asked for a price from Aquatune.com, and they replied:
AquaTunePlus is $699.50 plus shipping $24.80

Sheesh.... I could buy a lot of gas for $724.

Ray S.
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Hmmm . . . musta got the price from a big shop or the website.

Find an independant dealer, installed it's probably about $600.00 -- The unit costs the dealer just under $400 and the install (for an experienced independant dealer) is about $200.00
 

OroGrande said:
Hey Ray - Thanks for the post. I fail to understand why there is no excitement about this subject in light of the high fuel prices. As you are aware, the element designation of water is H2O. Two parts hydrogen and one part oxygen. Hydrogen is the most prevalent element in the universe and is combustible. In order to have combustion oxygen is also required. If a way could be found to instantationally break down water into these components, our dependence on fossil fuels would be eliminated. I find the concept fascinating and viable. Alot of coverage on this subject is on you tube, but I don't know how to post them. Several of the inventors have mysteriously disappeared. Hummmm, I wonder why? Sad fact is the "BIG BOYS" will not stand for this type of technology. Wonder why the government is not persuing this technology? Me thinks, I know the answer, regretably. There should be alot of excitement about this subject, but I'm not totally convinced the commercial ads you posted would be the way to go. Some of the posts on youtube are very interesting, check them out. Hope more information on the subject is forthcoming. "Orogrande"
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Maybe we should take a walk in the past and use H2O again, Steam engines
 

Bump !
These gas prices are "driving" me crazy
 

I did research and a presentation in one of my college classes this past semester on alternative fuel sources... and it seemed like the most logical, cost effective, and environmental friendly alternative would be that of hydrogen technologies!!!

A couple of the companies mentioned on here I hadn't previously heard of until now, though it seemed like two main inventors here in FL are both progressing with the technologies. Although neither seemed to be made public yet like these HHO cross-overs have.

Right now, I have a 1994 Toyota 4Runner and it has the older V6 engine (pre-'96) that they were running back then... and it gets much worse gas mileage than my brother & mom's 4Runners ('96 & '98) with the newer 3.2 liter engines. And since I'm still driving 1,200 miles each way from Florida to Missouri for college (hopefully only one more year to go), a similar upgrade to my vehicle and gas mileage would be amazing!!

If anyone else has anymore info they can share on the subject, please do.
Thanks!

Bran <><
 

When you conducted your study, Bran, did you factor in the amount of energy required to generate the hydrogen gas from the water?

Were factors such as the extreme volatility of hydrogen gas considered?

...The 'crash test dummies' have been a perennial favorite on TV. I'm sure everyone has seen them.
Think how much more fun that non-profit insurance institute, or whatever they are, would have with those dummies in a speeding hydrogen bomb!

Many have seen the video with the F-250 diesel with the stuck injector shooting flames out the pipe...
The stored hydrogen in the vehicle won't just be limited to a flame.

Yet it's a good start on an idea...
We'll need something, soon enough.

Best,
rmptr
 

rmptr said:
When you conducted your study, Bran, did you factor in the amount of energy required to generate the hydrogen gas from the water?

Were factors such as the extreme volatility of hydrogen gas considered?

...The 'crash test dummies' have been a perennial favorite on TV. I'm sure everyone has seen them.
Think how much more fun that non-profit insurance institute, or whatever they are, would have with those dummies in a speeding hydrogen bomb!

Many have seen the video with the F-250 diesel with the stuck injector shooting flames out the pipe...
The stored hydrogen in the vehicle won't just be limited to a flame.

Yet it's a good start on an idea...
We'll need something, soon enough.

Best,
rmptr
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rmptr,
Well I'm not on my laptop, so regrettably I don't have all my info in front of me... but I did research that.

The amount of energy that is required to produce the hydrogen from H20 is not all that much when you're talking about HHO technology. It basically breaks down you "how" you store & apply the hydrogen into your fuel system.

When you you store the hydrogen in a fuel cell, you're basically sitting on a bomb because it is being held at about 10,000psi... BUT when you apply it as Hydrogen-On-Demand, you're providing the fuel to your system as it's needed... ultimately reducing the pressure down to only 50 or 60psi, which is in some cases the same pressure a normal vehicle tire holds in air. That makes a big difference in the amount of energy used to produce the hydrogen for your system.

Again, the volatility factor is played out in how it's stored & produced as I've already stated. It's still more volatile than gas, but "should" have a far less probability of being dangerous than if you were using a fuel cell vehicle.

I wish I could elaborate more, but I'm recalling most of this from memory. I may not be "exact" on the numbers, but I should be pretty darn close. :wink:

Bran <><
 

I have a friend talking about his car that will get 100+ MPG
I am still trying to figure out the drawing he sent, as well as him. :wink:
 

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That is what is really neat about the Aquatune system. I have actually had my hands on one and watched it operate. The unit produces the Hydrogen in a type of "tube" just before being injected into the fuel system. You can actually watch the separation of Hydrogen and Oxygen.

It is totally "on demand", is tunable so as to achieve the greatest fuel savings or produce the most HP --- yep, the vehicle my friend installed it on has more kick when this thing is turned on and running. It doesn't have the kick of NOS, but you can definitely feel it when this thing kicks in.

By "kicks in" I mean when he turns it on. The unit can be disabled by the flip of a switch, and enabled at will.
 

I guess I'll need to look up the Aquatune presentation!

rmptr
 

The prices I quoted, earlier, came from an email I sent to the company, not from a website.

Ray S
 

I'm not saying this is the best option out there, just that they've come a long way from putting two electrodes in a mason jar full of water.

The unit appears to use something much different than that. Possibly radio or ultrasonic system of breaking down the molecules. You don't see any electrodes at all.
 

OK, I'm learning the difference between a fuel cell and HHO generation-on-demand by electrolysis.

I'm gonna try it...

But first gotta axe more questions so I don't ruin my truck!
Don't want to be replacing valves, cylinder heads, or pistons. ;D

It's a 00 F-150 w/ 4.2 v6 & 5speed.

My pu is a flex fuel vehicle, but will the factory FI computer compensate suitably for the addition of another volatile element to the combustion process?
What's the deal on the O2 mapping enhancer sold on the bay?

So far I can see no method of regulating the amount of HHO generated, increase or decrease, to deal with load requirements, except for the engine intake's vacuum.

Anyone got more info they could direct me to?

...Still reading!

Thanks,
rmptr
 

Aquatune is NOT the only one out there that does this, but they are the only ones I am familiar with. Their address is www.aquatune.com

It isn't the answer to the fuel shortage, but it is a stopgap measure that may help until an answer is found.
 

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