Can You Scientifically Prove to the World That LRLs Work?

[EE THr]

I guess I need to remind folks, once again, of the topic of this thread---

Can You Scientifically Prove to the World That LRLs Work?


Either you can, or you can't. There is no debate about that.

All the verbage in the World, will never be a substitute for actual proof.

May I suggest: A Scientific Test for LRLs.

When debating any issue, there is an implicit burden of proof on the person asserting a claim.

The LRL promoters on here act like they are "bearing the burden of BS." Nope. It's proof, fellas.

Surely somebody has the guts to back up their claims, huh?

It would be so simple and easy to do!

I'm all ears....

"The level of sanity or insanity of the subject matter, determines the level of sanity or insanity of the two-way communication attainable in any discussion."​

 

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[aarthrj3811]

Sorry you don’t understand your own posts...No one here sees any reason to again prove to the world that our LRL’s will find treasure...Art

 

[EE THr]

Sorry you don’t understand your own posts...No one here sees any reason to again prove to the world that our LRL’s will find treasure...Art

Then why post under this topic?

I suggest you start your own topic, with a title something like, "We Don't Want to Prove to the World That Our LRLs Work."

And then, to follow through with that idea, you can stop insisting that they work, since you supposedly don't care if anyone believes that they do or not.

That should give you lots more time in the field, to scoop up all those fantastic treasures, huh? Then you can post the pictures of all that gold and silver booty, all piled up high.

Known Facts About LRLs.​

 

[aarthrj3811]

~EE~

Then why post under this topic?

Let’s see now...I am a treasure hunter posting on a treasure hunting web site...Why are you here?

I suggest you start your own topic, with a title something like, "We Don't Want to Prove to the World That Our LRLs Work."

Because...that would be a phony thread just like this one...We have proved that our LRL’s work to the whole world..Here and on U tube and many more world wide web sites.

And then, to follow through with that idea, you can stop insisting that they work, since you supposedly don't care if anyone believes that they do or not.

That would be a lie...The 7 devices that I have used all located and recovered gold

That should give you lots more time in the field, to scoop up all those fantastic treasures, huh? Then you can post the pictures of all that gold and silver booty, all piled up high.

Where and when I go treasure hunting is none of your business. .,Art

 

[EE THr]

~EE~

Then why post under this topic?

Let’s see now...I am a treasure hunter posting on a treasure hunting web site...Why are you here?

I suggest you start your own topic, with a title something like, "We Don't Want to Prove to the World That Our LRLs Work."

Because...that would be a phony thread just like this one...We have proved that our LRL’s work to the whole world..Here and on U tube and many more world wide web sites.

And then, to follow through with that idea, you can stop insisting that they work, since you supposedly don't care if anyone believes that they do or not.

That would be a lie...The 7 devices that I have used all located and recovered gold

That should give you lots more time in the field, to scoop up all those fantastic treasures, huh? Then you can post the pictures of all that gold and silver booty, all piled up high.

Where and when I go treasure hunting is none of your business. .,Art

LRL promoters use only verbage as Social Proof, because they can never produce any Real Proof. But there actually are many Known Facts About LRLs, which they always ignore. Yet they continually demand proof from debunkers, while also ignoring A Dozen Points Proving LRL Fraud, even though they are fully aware that these points have never been rationally refuted.​

 

[EE THr]

Art---

It has come to my attention that you still don't know the difference between a Website, a forum, a forum section, a section subject, and a thread topic.

A. Get a dictionary.
B. Use it.

 

[aarthrj3811]

~EE~

LRL promoters use only verbage as Social Proof, because they can never produce any Real Proof. But there actually are many Known Facts About LRLs, which they always ignore. Yet they continually demand proof from debunkers, while also ignoring A Dozen Points Proving LRL Fraud, even though they are fully aware that these points have never been rationally refuted.

It is good to see that you are still trying to get some one to respond to your dead threads.

Art---
It has come to my attention that you still don't know the difference between a Website, a forum, a forum section, a section subject, and a thread topic.

Thank You EE...I know all I need to post in the proper places on a Treasure Hunting web site.

A. Get a dictionary.

I have two paper dictionaries and the whole world wide internet ...I think I can get all the information that I need.

B. Use it.

I did and you complained...I think you complained that I was cutting and pasting to much information..sorry if the correct information insults you...Art

 

[EE THr]

~EE~

LRL promoters use only verbage as Social Proof, because they can never produce any Real Proof. But there actually are many Known Facts About LRLs, which they always ignore. Yet they continually demand proof from debunkers, while also ignoring A Dozen Points Proving LRL Fraud, even though they are fully aware that these points have never been rationally refuted.

It is good to see that you are still trying to get some one to respond to your dead threads.

Art---
It has come to my attention that you still don't know the difference between a Website, a forum, a forum section, a section subject, and a thread topic.

Thank You EE...I know all I need to post in the proper places on a Treasure Hunting web site.

A. Get a dictionary.

I have two paper dictionaries and the whole world wide internet ...I think I can get all the information that I need.

B. Use it.

I did and you complained...I think you complained that I was cutting and pasting to much information..sorry if the correct information insults you...Art

Good.

So, now stick to the topic.

It's a very easy to understand topic question.

There is no need to beat around the bush.

Can you Scientifically prove to the World that your LRLs work, or not?

 

[aarthrj3811]

~EE~
Good.

So, now stick to the topic.

I have been

It's a very easy to understand topic question.

Yes it is

There is no need to beat around the bush

We have not been beating any bush’s except when we are treasure hunting

Can you Scientifically prove to the World that your LRLs work, or not?

We have told you where you can find all the necessary prove from the world. You have provide links to your personal believes. So please tell us what Scientifically prove to the World that we have not provided you with?...Art

 

[EE THr]

...please tell us what Scientifically prove to the World that we have not provided you with?...Art

I'm glad you asked.

No matter how anybody words it, you continually try to change the meaning of the word "proof."

"Scientifically prove it to the World" means real documented evidence, by someone other than your "friends."

Just by telling stories about what you have allegedly accomplished, does not qualify as Scientific evidence.

Posting photos means nothing. You could make a homemade video to make it look like you found a UFO. If you don't understand that, then don't hope to understand Scientific proof.

Let me put it this way---so far, your supposed "proof" has been nothing more than mere BS, and has been already been shown, in several ways, to have been faked.

All of the nonsense you have posted under this topic has obviously been childish attempts to spam this thread, and nothing more.

Do you get it now?





Reference: A Scientific Test for LRLs.


LRL promoters use only verbage as Social Proof, because they can never produce any Real Proof. But there actually are many Known Facts About LRLs, which they always ignore. Yet they continually demand proof from debunkers, while also ignoring A Dozen Points Proving LRL Fraud, even though they are fully aware that these points have never been rationally refuted.

 

[aarthrj3811]

~EE~

I'm glad you asked.

No matter how anybody words it, you continually try to change the meaning of the word "proof."

The word “proof” has many meanings..Which one are you talking about?

"Scientifically prove it to the World" means real documented evidence, by someone other than your "friends."

What’s wrong with my friends...Most are treasure hunters so what have you got against them?

Just by telling stories about what you have allegedly accomplished, does not qualify as Scientific evidence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_evidence
Scientific evidence has no universally accepted definition but generally refers to evidence which serves to either support or counter a scientific theory or hypothesis. Such evidence is generally expected to be empirical and properly documented in accordance with scientific method such as is applicable to the particular field of inquiry. Standards for evidence may vary according to whether the field of inquiry is among the natural sciences or social sciences[citation needed]. Evidence may involve understanding all steps of a process, or one or a few observations, or observation and statistical analysis of many samples without necessarily understanding the mechanism.

Our evidence has been put on the internet so I think we have answered that statement.

Posting photos means nothing. You could make a homemade video to make it look like you found a UFO. If you don't understand that, then don't hope to understand Scientific proof.

If seeing is not enough for you it may be your problem

Let me put it this way---so far, your supposed "proof" has been nothing more than mere BS, and has been already been shown, in several ways, to have been faked.

We know you have called us all lairs for posting our proof but...That is not a scientific method.

All of the nonsense you have posted under this topic has obviously been childish attempts to spam this thread, and nothing more.

If telling the truth is considered as “spam” then you are correct.

Do you get it now?

I get where you are coming from

Reference: A Scientific Test for LRLs.

Please list the members of the Scientific Community that have told you they would except the results of this test?...As far as I can see the only thing a test like that would prove is...If one man could or could not use his LRL...Art

 

[EE THr]

Well, Art, you have totally ignored everything I said. Apparently you are trying to pretend that I didn't say it. Too bad, because it's still there in black and white. Sorry.

I could give you examples of real proof. I could even give you examples of when you, yourself would require real proof of something, as I'm sure you have in the past, and will in the future. But you would find some silly way of claiming that you don't think it is pertanent.

For instance, I could say that when you pay at a store by check, they will ask for your ID---to prove who you are. Try refusing to show ID, and instead having a friend with you tell them that you are really the person who owns that checking account. Ain't gonna work.

Suppose you are on the other side of the story? Suppose you are selling a car, and someone offers you a check? Are you going to just accept it because he says it's good? Or are you going to accompany him to his bank to cash it? Or at least check his ID, and call his branch to confirm that enough money is in his account to cover it? That's the difference between "proof" and "talk."

Anything on the Internet can be forged. Photos, videos, and quotes. That's why it is best to provide links to an unbiased originator's official Website. That's why some of the people, above in this very topic, were saying and quoting stuff---without any links, or links that didn't work or didn't contain what they claimed they did.

The average person knows the difference between proof and BS.

Do you?

 

[goldfinder]

Look guys (?) - you can't prove something to someone who doesn't want it proved and you can't disprove something to someone is using some kind of LRL with success. This dialog between EE and Arthur is a waste. Let move on. Drop this idiotic dialog!!

I'd really like to see some discussion of LRL design and what works for the guys that can use them and actually find something. Lets ignore the naysayers and move on.

For me LRLs can work but I think there is a certain amount of dowsing or use of high mental capabilities and LRL devices really enhance this mental or even spiritual ability or set up conditions that favor it. Start a new thread along these lines and totally ignore the those who want to deny. These types are in denial of life. Their very philosophy is nillism. They live and feed off the argumentative and negative energies they can get from others. If don't argue w/ them they go elsewhere to suck of someone else's energy.
Goldfinder

 

[EE THr]

Let's get something straight here (no pun intended). The skeptics do not want a test to prove that LRL's work--they want a test to prove LRL's DON'T work. They tried with the million dollar hoax. Dell Winders showed them that he easily beat their odds by a long ways with his MFD yet Carl Moreland, Sam Scafferi, and a couple other skeptics said it was not good enough. I don't recall the exact results, but it was 10 or 12 empty holes and they did this ten times or there abouts. So the first trial the odds are one in ten (1/10) to get it right, and after ten trials randon chance says Dell should have gotten one trial correct and missed nine (1/10 x 10 = 1). But Dell got seven correct. If that's not beating the odds then I don't know what is. To be fair, Randi never said Dell failed, he said they needed to run more tests.

I have asked you for a link to proper documentation of your story about Dell getting seven out of ten, but you failed to provide it. You can talk all you want, but if you can't show proof, it's just talk. And repeating it over and over doesn't make it any more believable.

Here is the only documentation I could find, of Dell's involvement with any Scientific testing---

ref: $25,000.00 Reward, from which the following is excerpted. It's from the bottom of the page.

"8/31/2003: Offered the prize to Dell Winders on a forum. His one word reply: No.

"4/12/2004: Dell offered a $10,000 "bet" on a forum, that his LRL could outperform my dowsing under test conditions. I immediately accepted his bet, at which point he fell completely silent on the topic. Apparently, the offer was a bluff, and the bluff was called.

"12/9/2004: Dell suggested a test where a gold coin is buried in a 10-acre field, and he is allowed 4000 attempts to locate it to within a certain area. His 4000 attempts would statistically cover 92% of the field, giving him a 92% chance of success just by guessing. For obvious reasons, this was rejected.

"12/17/2004: Dell suggested a test of his X-scan device, hiding a "metal washer" under one of 12 paper plates, and attempting to locate it from a distance of "a few inches". I replied that a minimum of 5 feet would be required, to prevent the use of a hidden conventional detector. Dell considered this distance unfair.

"5/20/2005: Dell states, "I claim my instruments locate nothing," and wants me to award him the $25,000 for non-performance.


It's your turn to provide some documentation.

I'm all ears....

 

[EddieR]

Look guys (?) - you can't prove something to someone who doesn't want it proved and you can't disprove something to someone is using some kind of LRL with success. This dialog between EE and Arthur is a waste. Let move on. Drop this idiotic dialog!!

I'd really like to see some discussion of LRL design and what works for the guys that can use them and actually find something. Lets ignore the naysayers and move on.

For me LRLs can work but I think there is a certain amount of dowsing or use of high mental capabilities and LRL devices really enhance this mental or even spiritual ability or set up conditions that favor it. Start a new thread along these lines and totally ignore the those who want to deny. These types are in denial of life. Their very philosophy is nillism. They live and feed off the argumentative and negative energies they can get from others. If don't argue w/ them they go elsewhere to suck of someone else's energy.
Goldfinder

Hear,hear!!! Awesome post!

 

[EE THr]

...These types are in denial of life. Their very philosophy is nillism. They live and feed off the argumentative and negative energies they can get from others.

Apparently you failed to notice the topic title of this thread. Either that, or you are just another LRL promoter.

Art has been spamming this thread with off-topic nonsense. Whose fault is that?

Your assertion above is entirely wrong. I simply asked a question.

It is you who is being argumentative, as well as totally off topic.



P.S. The answer to the topic question is totally clear to anyone with any common sense at all, seeing as not one single LRLer has declared that he can prove his claims.





ref: A Scientific Test for LRLs.

 

[aarthrj3811]

Looks to me like your little joke thread has failed...They are correct...People come to t-net to learn more about treasure hunting..If you can not except the word of a treasure hunter you are in trouble for the rest of your life..Art

 

[EE THr]

Looks to me like your little joke thread has failed...They are correct...People come to t-net to learn more about treasure hunting..If you can not except the word of a treasure hunter you are in trouble for the rest of your life..Art

If you cannot learn to spell you are in more trouble than I could ever get into!



P.S. And I know the difference between a treasure hunter and just another LRL promoter.

"The level of sanity or insanity of the subject matter, determines the level of sanity or insanity of the two-way communication attainable in any discussion."​

 

[aarthrj3811]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treasure_hunting
Treasure hunting is the physical search for treasure which has been a notable human activity for millennia.

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http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/0...71G3H120110217

The man who said:

“Whether it’s magic or scientific, what I care about is it detects bombs,” said Maj. Gen. Jehad al-Jabiri, head of the Ministry of the Interior’s General Directorate for Combating Explosives.

“I don’t care about Sandia or the Department of Justice or any of them,” General Jabiri said. “I know more about this issue than the Americans do. In fact, I know more about bombs than anyone in the world.”

Now for the rest of the crooks e.g.
General Pierre hadji Georgiou, ProSec Lebanon (agents for ADE651 sales to Iraq)
Stelian Ilie at Mira Telecom, Romania, partners to James McCormick and the ADE651

McCormick has money stashed away in both these countries.

Also:
John Wyatt SDS Group UK agents for HEDD1
David Vollmar, Unival Germany. Took the discredited Sniffex from the US. Renamed it Sniffex Plus. Now renamed HEDD1 after the pressure.( Hasn't Even detected DooDoo Once!)
Horizon Group India. Agents for the GT200
Gary Bolton, Global Technical. GT200

 

[aarthrj3811]

~Art~

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Thank You EE for all the proof...You have shown to the whole world just how obsolete all your claims are..Thank you very much and keep up the good work...Art