Colonial English copper need ID help

[islandscope]

Digging with a friend this weekend, I found 3 old coppers and he found 1. Still working on mine but he needs an ID. I originally thought King George II farthing because it's 24mm with left facing bust, but I can see the "DEI" and I don't think those farthings had that on them, only the name. There's some discernible enough lettering so I though you guys might take a shot, please let me know any and all ideas. Thanks!



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[ironhorse]

James ll Irish farthing seems right
that's an oldie!

 

[DCMatt]

James ll Irish farthing seems right
that's an oldie!

Good call!

 

[islandscope]

Wow, even has the "6" in 1686 right on there. That's a new record for us, James wasn't even on my radar. I think I'm going to take a closer look at the others I pulled out that same day. Thank you so much!

 

[washingtonian]

Man, that is so crazy to imagine you guys are pulling those up. Makes me a bit jealous over here. Nicely done!

 

[A2coins]

Wow that's old I hoping some day in my town founded in 1826 I'll find one lol. Really cool coin and great ID

 

[Jeff H]

WOW! Those rarely show up even at old colonial sites. It may be toasty but it is a great find. Most folks get into the 1600's with a William III. Getting there with a James II is very cool.

 

[CRUSADER]

Good call!

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Confused, I'm not aware of a 1686 James II Farthing only a Halfpenny at about 26mm.

I'm going to put my neck out & state it's an Imitation of a James II Halfpenny, hence its smaller size & weight. (hence the odd way it corroded as well, which looks to be due to poor metal quality)

 

[xcopperstax]

Confused, I'm not aware of a 1686 James II Farthing only a Halfpenny at about 26mm.

I'm going to put my neck out & state it's an Imitation of a James II Halfpenny, hence its smaller size & weight. (hence the odd way it corroded as well, which looks to be due to poor metal quality)

My recent find of a Woods Hibernia was around 25.5 MM. I was sure it was a farthing because it was much smaller than a halfpenny. In fact it was a halfpenny and the Woods were just smaller. This one I have no idea but it it's that big it's probably not a farthing. Great find either way.

 

[islandscope]

Yeah I'm not sue about the farthing vs half penny thing, I initially thought farthing because it looked closer in size to the KG farthings than the KG half pennies I find. But it sounds like the King James farthings were tin with copper plug? If it's really an imitation, then wow that's almost a crazier story behind it. In any case, here are some comparisons to a modern quarter for reference. Very grateful for all your input thank you again.

 

[Jeff H]

All my KG II farthings are slightly smaller than a modern quarter. Perhaps is is a halfpenny. Either way, I would be thrilled to have dug any James II!

 

[Professor of Engineering]

Killer old copper recovery!

 

[CRUSADER]

Yeah I'm not sue about the farthing vs half penny thing, I initially thought farthing because it looked closer in size to the KG farthings than the KG half pennies I find. But it sounds like the King James farthings were tin with copper plug? If it's really an imitation, then wow that's almost a crazier story behind it. In any case, here are some comparisons to a modern quarter for reference. Very grateful for all your input thank you again.
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Unless my book is wrong there are no Irish farthings from this period of James II.
The half pennies from Ireland in 1685-88 were copper only & then it was into the Gun Money. It was the English Farthings of 1684-87 that were tin & copper plugged.
Therefore, this has to be a counterfeit of that period.
Any Irish coinage of James II is rare & I have had only 3 gun money examples in all my years, none similar to yours.
Whether a counterfeit is rarer than the real deal, I have no data on, but maybe.

 

[DCMatt]

Confused, I'm not aware of a 1686 James II Farthing only a Halfpenny at about 26mm.

I'm going to put my neck out & state it's an Imitation of a James II Halfpenny, hence its smaller size & weight. (hence the odd way it corroded as well, which looks to be due to poor metal quality)

C'mon man. You know we're Americans. To us a 'far thing' is an object that's a long distance away... Like in England...

Either way it's a cool find and very old for this side of the Atlantic. If it's counterfeit, that's even cooler.