Considering 'Pirate Treasure' Based on the Discoveries of 2019

[THE TRUE SEEKER]

In March 2019, two local ecologists—Roger Doger de Spéville and Georges Désiré Némorin—stumbled upon what appeared to be pirate artifacts while hiking in the eastern region of Rodrigues Island in Republic of Mauritius, specifically in the Vallée St François area. They described finding: rusty chest, decayed rope from a pulley setup, a metal rod that had fallen from the chest, and finally a goat’s skull mounted on a shiny metal body, that might possibly even be gold.

The duo wasn't treasure hunting; they were on an ecological survey, which later proved crucial for legal claims. They photographed the site and filed a sworn affidavit on May 15, 2019, alerting authorities. By June 11, the Rodrigues Regional Assembly was informed, and the site was secured with 24/7 military guards to prevent looting.

Under Mauritian Civil Code (Article 716), undiscovered treasures belong to the state, but accidental finds on private land split 50/50 between the finder and landowner. Since the hikers "accidentally" discovered it, they argued for a share.Conversely, if treasure is discovered through intentional exploration activities, no profit can be obtained.

However, the supposed treasure disappeared.

Was this treasure truly a pirate treasure in the first place?

I believe that not only in this case, but in all cases, it is only by thoroughly investigating the findings through various disciplines such as archaeology, history, and numismatics, and then integrating those research results, that we can deduce whether the discovered treasure originated from pirates.If treasure is found through illegal exploration, archaeological information about what items were found, where, and in what quantity is lost.Therefore, searching for pirate treasure must be legal.

What do you think?

 

[ISmellGold]

Meh. Thats pretty deep into the Indian Ocean, What was the Loot? Who knows? Probably just a Large Private Cache Stash. Doubtful it had anything to do with Pirates. But Like I said, Who Knows??

 

[jeff of pa]

L.S
on January 5, 2021 at 2:35 am said:
Sadly the treasure has been stolen and no one is bothered, especially the government ( no surprise there) , to investigate this crime against humanity, history and Rodrigues. Rumours has it that there is a political hand ( or maybe a few ) involved in the disappearance of the treasure. I feel sorry for my Rodriguan friends as a part of their history has been robbed.
Bien mal acquis ne profite jamais- as we say in French

Rodrigues Pirate Treasure: Has The Lady Vanished? - Cipher Mysteries

Though the political wrangling and in-fighting over the recently discovered pirate treasure has (to nobody’s surprise) continued in Mauritius and Rodrigues, more tangible details of the find have begun to creep out. For one, the location of the cavern (‘grotto’) is now widely reported as being...

ciphermysteries.com

 

[THE TRUE SEEKER]

I have changed the thread title to clarify its intent.

 

[ISmellGold]

S

L.S
on January 5, 2021 at 2:35 am said:
Sadly the treasure has been stolen and no one is bothered, especially the government ( no surprise there) , to investigate this crime against humanity, history and Rodrigues. Rumours has it that there is a political hand ( or maybe a few ) involved in the disappearance of the treasure. I feel sorry for my Rodriguan friends as a part of their history has been robbed.
Bien mal acquis ne profite jamais- as we say in French

Rodrigues Pirate Treasure: Has The Lady Vanished? - Cipher Mysteries

Though the political wrangling and in-fighting over the recently discovered pirate treasure has (to nobody’s surprise) continued in Mauritius and Rodrigues, more tangible details of the find have begun to creep out. For one, the location of the cavern (‘grotto’) is now widely reported as being...

ciphermysteries.com

I wouldnt worry about it, sounded like scam BS to me.

 

[ToddsPoint]

A crime against humanity?🤣 The crime against humanity is the fact that governments think everything is theirs!

 

[releventchair]

Pirate assigned as a label to objects real or imagined seems frequent.
Maybe even far more than pirates let anything of value in remote areas.

What assured a return to anywhere? Nothing.
Who wants to see their share buried and we then sail away to return another day? Raise your hands.
Plunder was stuff that could be sold in a port where the authorities allowed such. For a share of course.
Not every ship or boat of floating bathtub contained a gleaning treasure chest. Oh chests existed! As did suitcases eventually. Steamer trunks. Satchels. A rug folded and stitched . briefcases. Paper bags. Trash bags. All just containers. A ship or train portable container for what little a body were to haul cross country or across an ocean needed to be durable. Not stuffed with shiny treasure only ; in order to be allowed aboard or abroad. Durable.

The media hype is pretty low when a partially decomposed broken down trash bag is washed ashore somewhere or found peeking out of beach sand high aground after a storm.. Not as romantic as a chest? Depends on if it gets called a pirate bag maybe.

 

[THE TRUE SEEKER]

In a word, my assertion is 'combination.'

For example...

"A group of people traveled to a remote location to search for a pirate's treasure. Fortunately, as a result of their exploration, they managed to discover the pirate treasure they were looking for. They then sold the discovered treasure somewhere and converted it into money. They received an amount based on the melt value and its value as an antique."

This whole sequence is the reality of this kind of exploration. But, isn't this strange?

Another example is...

Cocos Island, famous for its pirate treasures, has several interesting anecdotes.

In the 1850s, mercenaries under the command of William Walker stole a ship belonging to Cornelius Vanderbilt in Central America and headed to Cocos Island. It is said that they discovered 10,000 gold coins on a small island in Chapman Bay within the main island.(https://www.treasurenet.com/threads...-treasure-hunter.239401/page-114#post-4763954) Furthermore, in the 1960s, a French team reportedly found two skeletons and a treasure in a cave on the island.(https://www.treasurenet.com/threads...-treasure-hunter.239401/page-186#post-4988313)

Are these stories true? I cannot say for sure.However, because the explorations were conducted unofficially, no physical evidence remains anywhere, and the archaeological information has been lost.

I believe "combination" is the way to solve these two example problems.

 

[Gare]

I understand it was Stolen JUST to become a pirates treasure lol

 

[releventchair]

In a word, my assertion is 'combination.'

For example...

"A group of people traveled to a remote location to search for a pirate's treasure. Fortunately, as a result of their exploration, they managed to discover the pirate treasure they were looking for. They then sold the discovered treasure somewhere and converted it into money. They received an amount based on the melt value and its value as an antique."

This whole sequence is the reality of this kind of exploration. But, isn't this strange?

Another example is...

Cocos Island, famous for its pirate treasures, has several interesting anecdotes.

In the 1850s, mercenaries under the command of William Walker stole a ship belonging to Cornelius Vanderbilt in Central America and headed to Cocos Island. It is said that they discovered 10,000 gold coins on a small island in Chapman Bay within the main island.(https://www.treasurenet.com/threads...-treasure-hunter.239401/page-114#post-4763954) Furthermore, in the 1960s, a French team reportedly found two skeletons and a treasure in a cave on the island.(https://www.treasurenet.com/threads...-treasure-hunter.239401/page-186#post-4988313)

Are these stories true? I cannot say for sure.However, because the explorations were conducted unofficially, no physical evidence remains anywhere, and the archaeological information has been lost.

I believe "combination" is the way to solve these two example problems.

Provenance can help.
Empty holes not so much.