Daily operating costs

[Vox veritas]

Hi everyone. Someone have idea of daily costs of a boat, fuel, crew, technicians for electronic tool, etc. for searches in shallow waters (galleons). In short, the daily operating costs.

 

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[Salvor6]

If you include crew and technicians the cost is approximately $10,000 per day.

 

[Rookster]

Way to many specs. To be considered ie. # of crew, size of boat, food, fuel economy, number of days out.

 

[RTR]

The BIG question IS.How much (of what you find) are You allowed to keep After the Feds./State/Local pukes take their share (for doing Nothing).

 

[agflit]

I can "suggest"...an average daily expendure based on the following parameters...ymmv.

4-5 Crew...victuals and drinks...
feeding 2 12v-92's at 80+ gallons an hr...
misc stuffs"..
70' ballpark hull

your in the pot for 1k a day minimum when you hear the first cough...and thats CONSERVATIVE...

Now..if your LEASING a boat...#'s much higher i'm sure.

no dockage, lubes, breakdowns, gear or tackle...

Going rate for Mag/SS work starts at 2-3k a day min with decent operator...not part of boat costs above

 

[Au_Dreamers]

Searches?
Shallow? shore to 30ft water depth, to 100ft to 150ft?
Near port?
Mag? purchase? leased out work or lease equipment?
Hand held or tow fish?
Hand held metal detectors?
Sonar?

 

[Black Duck]

Hi everyone. Someone have idea of daily costs of a boat, fuel, crew, technicians for electronic tool, etc. for searches in shallow waters (galleons). In short, the daily operating costs.

I can to you the facts on this

A good survey boat that is new so no break downs, or a good used boat with great service on the boat
36 foot min cat hull for shallow
2 men for a 40 hour week but understanding a 40 hour week

If you have two men and you get 250 days a years survey you are doing good if they leave the dock at 5-6 am and not 9-10 am depending on where you are

So to sum this up

One boat worthy of doing a survey and out riggers 50 feet apart w/two mags
2 men at 16-20 days a month avg per year
50 gals of fuel a day
Lunch and ice
repair or service if new
Mag surveys 3 sq mile every 4 days avg.
SSS in deeper water with mag three times the area same time

 

[Salvor6]

I can to you the facts on this

A good survey boat that is new so no break downs, or a good used boat with great service on the boat
36 foot min cat hull for shallow
2 men for a 40 hour week but understanding a 40 hour week

If you have two men and you get 250 days a years survey you are doing good if they leave the dock at 5-6 am and not 9-10 am depending on where you are

So to sum this up

One boat worthy of doing a survey and out riggers 50 feet apart w/two mags
2 men at 16-20 days a month avg per year
50 gals of fuel a day
Lunch and ice
repair or service if new
Mag surveys 3 sq mile every 4 days avg.
SSS in deeper water with mag three times the area same time

So, what is the total cost per day?

 

[Vox veritas]

Let's talk in the medium term. Boat rented. Average depth of work 5 fathoms. Nearest port 30-40 miles.

 

[Black Duck]

So, what is the total cost per day?

The fuel burn was based on port being 10-20 miles away
The cost depends on how much you pay the men, Insurance, fuel cost, depreciation on equipment etc.

Are you paying men when weather is bad to just set there, where do they sleep, eat

 

[Denniss]

Let's talk in the medium term. Boat rented. Average depth of work 5 fathoms. Nearest port 30-40 miles.

Rough numbers for a boat rental in 50-100 ft range

$3500-$5000 a day
additional costs
Fuel
Meals for riders
Per diem for crew if unable to live aboard
Dockage
Transit to and from home port

 

[Salvor6]

The fuel burn was based on port being 10-20 miles away
The cost depends on how much you pay the men, Insurance, fuel cost, depreciation on equipment etc.

Are you paying men when weather is bad to just set there, where do they sleep, eat

So you are saying about $5,000 to $7,000 per day, right?

Vox, with the port being 30-40 miles away I would spend the night at the site than drive back and forth each day. That's what we did on the Atocha site. It is about 30 miles from Key West.

 

[Vox veritas]

In average terms, can we say that it costs $ 15/18,000 per day ?!

 

[ropesfish]

I'll throw in a little here.
Boat cost: this is the big variable...Much depends on availability in the survey area. If you are looking in the Bahamas, the Keys or near a developed area in Central or South America, you can hire a nice air-conditioned 50' sportfish boat for $2-3K per day plus fuel on a week long commitment. If you are way out there in the middle of nowhere, you may have to charter a vessel in that populated area and have the boat relocate to your survey area. You can hire a damned nice crewed yacht for $20K per week. Use their tender to drag your gear. It would be an unusual charter, but my wife is charter broker and could probably put you on a boat pretty much anywhere in the world. I'd suggest a sailing cat or a power cat to get a shallower draft. A sailing catamaran would also offer great fuel economy on the survey grid.
Hands on the boat...$200/day per man will get you good deck hands.
Food, ice, drinks for a 5-6 man crew -Captain, mate, 3-4 aboard for diving and survey. $200/da should cover it ---charter a yacht and they'll provision the boat
Fuel...2-3 gallons per mile at economical cruise for a 60' - 2+ miles per gallon on survey...the fuel burn might be less, but won't be much more.
In the charter business, you pay the weekly charter rate and put up a minimum 35% additional for fuel, food, etc. If you want to motor a long ways, fuel will be extra.
Magnetometer and sidescan gear rents for approx $200/da each on a week+ rental. plus insurance or bond.
Someone to run the gear...$400/day plus expenses...

If we are spending MY money ...5000 USD/day should get it done- add on your travel costs. (If this is within 400 miles of Sebastian, FL I happen to have a 38' vessel with a SeaSpy magnetometer and a nice chirp sidescan for charter...)
The more remote the location, the more it is going to cost, but absolutely 10K/day should get it done in any but the most remote areas.
Pray for good weather when you schedule the trip or it all goes out the window.
Just my opinion


Note that there are companies that rent geophysical equipment anywhere there is petroleum production...Houma, LA, Houston, etc. but here are two that actually publish prices.

Geometrics rentals:http://www.geometrics.com/rentals/

Sidescan and mag rentals from Northwest Geophysics: https://www.nwgeophysics.com/marine-equipment/

 

[huntsman53]

While you folks are on operating costs, have any of you converted or thought of converting your electrical needs to Solar or Wind Energy Generation to a Battery Field? With the right setup with either or both to the right amount of batteries stored in a dry otherwise unusable spot below deck, you would never have to crank a Gas Generator unless a failure occurs. Also, I know that most of the Salvors use Hookah Systems for shallow water recoveries and believe that a Hookah could be run off the same with a Gas Powered Backup already linked into the System in case of a failure. Just some thoughts on curbing costs, in case you haven't gone this route!